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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Several of the office-holders from whom we have received evidence have talked about audits. Indeed, the issue has come up frequently, and everyone has said that audits are important and that the scrutiny is both welcome and valuable. However, several office-holders have noted the issue of audit being proportionate, with some saying that they are audited twice a year and others saying that they also have an office or departmental audit, which in the process becomes part of a larger audit. It means that there are audits upon audits.

In previous evidence-taking sessions and written submissions, a discussion has arisen on whether there should be a single audit for all SPCB supported bodies. We understand that that would require legislative changes, but will you elaborate on the potential benefits and challenges of such an approach?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

In that case, there might be room to look at how the process could work in a more streamlined way, so that it is still effective but does not feel quite so burdensome.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a question, convener, but only if there is time for it.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

However, there might be some scope for officers to share internal audit functions and related matters.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Are you aware of existing examples of shared audit services or functions in the public sector that could serve as a model for SPCB supported bodies, as you discuss in your written submission?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

There is absolutely no doubt about the importance of the topics for the proposed new commissioners, but our discussion is about how we can most effectively represent those interests. Someone might be old, disabled, a victim of crime and neurodivergent, so separating advocacy roles might make it harder for people to get the support that they need, because they might not know where to go.

For the record, I note that the office of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner, which has been held up by you and other witnesses as an example of best practice, predates the Scottish Human Rights Commission and has a substantially different remit under the legislation. In their evidence, the SHRC and the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman described frustrations about the limitations of their roles under the legislation. Instead of creating new commissioners, why do the proposals for improved advocacy not include legislative changes to redefine the roles of existing bodies to give them powers that are more like those of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I will need to get to the bottom of what I understood had been said.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

We have been speaking about how effective parliamentary committees are in scrutinising SPCB supported bodies, but those bodies do some really useful and valuable work, and we are not entirely confident that that work is always fed in effectively to the Parliament, then used. We are looking at how to make that system more effective.

Auditor General, I understand from Richard Leonard that you come into the Parliament weekly to give an update on your work and how things are going, but other supported bodies come to the Parliament only annually, and, when they do, they discuss their annual review rather than any specific and potentially crucial work that they are doing.

How did it come to be that you report weekly whereas the other bodies do so annually? Is that because of legislation, or is it just based on a code of practice? Is your approach an effective way of feeding in? Should other bodies be doing something similar? Should that approach be mandated? I am interested in your thoughts on that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Colin Smyth alluded to the idea of having a minister for X—that is, a minister to cover whatever advocacy we might be looking for. However, everyone is of the view that such things should be independent of Government. Is there any value at all in having, say, a minister for disabled people or a minister for older people to provide that complementary function and bring that advocacy into Government?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you.