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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you very much.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I will direct my final question to Dr Elliott, although others, including Dr Gill, may have a view as well. You can see the problem that is before us when it comes to SPCB-supported bodies. What steps could be taken to give a more coherent view? We are having trouble even in defining the bodies into categories or groups, because there is so much messy overlap. What would a more coherent model look like?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you. I have a few more questions, but I see that Dr Gill wants to come in on that point before I move on.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

It might take us down a rabbit hole, convener. I think that I will leave it with you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

No, I do not want to drag us down a rabbit hole.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a follow-up question on trust. It is my impression from the media and so on that trust in Governments and institutions is at an all-time low. We have heard from other witnesses that independence is the key thing for trust—everybody says, “It has to be independent.” I have two questions on that. Being SPCB supported is one way in which bodies can be independent, but is it the best way? Are there other ways to be independent?

Also, is it true that independence is the route to trust? Dr Lamont seemed to suggest that effectiveness is a better route to trust. I am interested in people’s thoughts on that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I am talking about gaining a proper understanding of the landscape here, because we are all worried about gaps and a system that is not working well. What kind of resource would that take?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a supplementary question, although I am interested in the points about the separation by advocacy and integrity, so I will come back to that later.

I want to follow up on something that Dr Lamont said, although everyone alluded to this. One challenge that we have in the advocacy space is that a new advocacy body represents a failure of existing bodies, and it is not clear that a new body will succeed where all the others have not.

Really, the success or otherwise of an advocacy body, whether it is a commissioner or something else, is to do with its level of influence and how well the Government listens to it. Another challenge that I would raise with, for example, the proposal for a future generations commissioner—whose purpose I of course support—is about what would make the Government listen to such a commissioner when it does not listen to any of the environmental non-governmental organisations or politicians who speak on those topics.

Would creating a commissioner solve either of those problems? Is there evidence that a commissioner would have more influence?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

No, that is all right.