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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Lorna Slater

One of the complaints that I have had from apprentices who are on that route is that they miss out on the peer support, activities and study space that college apprentices get. They do not have the peer networks, mental health support or social opportunities that college apprentices have and they feel the lack of those. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Do you have any thoughts on how those soft provisions could be provided for apprentices? I hear what you are saying about not putting everyone through college, but if there is only one young person in a business, how might peer-to-peer learning, having someone to study with and having a space to study in be provided where a college is not part of the apprenticeship? Are there other routes?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you, Andrew. Ian, do you have any thoughts on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Lorna Slater

We have lost your sound, Ian.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Ian, did you have any thoughts on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Lorna Slater

This is my last question, if the convener will indulge me. Ian, in your opening remarks you mentioned the system being at breaking point. Is now a good moment to elaborate on those thoughts?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Yes, you are back.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Lorna Slater

I have two questions, if the convener will allow them, but I will go for the bigger one first. My background is in electromechanical engineering, and certainly when I was an engineering student, we had the same problem then that we have now, in that the field is heavily male dominated. In various evidence sessions, we have heard that we have not made progress because of the parents, that we do not get the kids young enough, or that it is the employers. There is a lot of, “They are not doing enough in this space.” It seems that we, collectively, do not have a handle on why this is a problem, particularly in the UK. Other countries do better in engineering. I know that construction is probably a problem everywhere. Do you guys have any thoughts on why we have a persistent gender imbalance, particularly in construction, engineering and what we are calling green skills, such as those that the Energy Training Academy offers?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I have three questions, which I will try to get through.

One of the challenges faced by not just SDS but everyone delivering apprenticeships is meeting the target of 25,000 apprentices with a fixed sum of money. Anecdotally, one of the criticisms that I have heard is that it means that there is a focus on quantity rather than quality.

I would love to hear your interpretation of that challenge—that is, that we are spending public money training young women to be hairdressers and to work in retail, and trapping them in low-wage jobs, instead of spending money getting more people into engineering. I understand that part of that is the trade-off between the target that you have to meet and the amount of money that you have available, and I know that an engineering apprenticeship costs more to deliver than a hairdressing apprenticeship, but are we not trapping those young people in low-paying careers?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Did you look at careers advice or anything like that? One of the challenges, anecdotally, is that everybody says that careers advice is terrible. When you speak to careers advisers, they say, “Oh, but we have to be neutral. We can’t direct children.” However, as you have just described, children are coming to that stage of their life, the teenage years, with ingrained biases, and if careers advisers are not working against those biases—if they are letting the children lead—we cannot undo the damage that society has done. Would you say that careers advice is one of the areas where we may be able to make inroads?