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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

Nico, do you want to add to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

We have also heard that the bill focuses on the inspection of the establishments rather than the learner’s experience—we have already decided that we do not like the word “learner”—or how bodies or establishments work together to support outcomes. Is it the intention that inspection should be limited to the educational establishment?

Moreover, does the bill allow future chief inspectors the flexibility to innovate in the inspection programme? Nico McKenzie-Juetten said in his previous answer that the programme could evolve, if it is in the hands of the inspector to decide what it looks like. Is that possible under the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

Bill Kerr, please. [Interruption.] I mean Bill Kidd. Who is Bill Kerr? At least it was not a swear word. [Laughter.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

For the purposes of the Official Report, I note that the cabinet secretary’s officials were agreeing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

I am sure that there will be trouble at the end of the evidence session.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

The inspectorate also has the opportunity to inspect early learning and childcare settings.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

Those settings could be double inspected, given that we have both the Care Inspectorate and the chief inspector of education. What are your thoughts on that? How will the inspectorates work together?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

Jackie, no one has asked your question, so crack on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

That will be helpful, because we have had quite a lot of email traffic on that topic.

I thank the cabinet secretary and her team for coming along today. That concludes the public part of our proceedings. I allow our witnesses to leave, and the committee will move into private session to conclude its final agenda items.

11:06 Meeting continued in private until 12:11.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Sue Webber

We are okay. Carry on—I just needed us to get a bit more momentum going.