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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

Thank you, Ian, for coming and facing the questions and for the report. Over the time that I have had the privilege of sitting at this end of the table, there has been a sea change in the annual report and its contents, as well as in the confidence of external stakeholders and internal staff. I thank you and your staff for that.

I want to steal your words by reiterating the final part of your statement in the report, where you say that it is a privilege to lead the team that you lead. The committee can see that they are a talented and dedicated group of professionals. Your very last sentence,

“We know that day in and day out our work makes a difference to people’s lives and we don’t take that responsibility lightly”,

is a powerful statement for a lot of people within and outwith your organisation.

Thank you for your attendance.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

Yes—we want robust discourse without the discourtesy.

As one of the commissioners, you are, of course, aware of the Scottish Parliament’s new SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. Would you like to make any initial comments on its work? I have a few questions about what the commissioners have done to support one another and share resource, and about the challenges. You mentioned your cybersecurity certification, which is much to the credit of those who have worked on it. Do you have any comments on, first, the new committee’s inquiry and, secondly, the approach that you have taken, as a commissioner, with regard to your responsibilities, given the use of what is, at the end of the day, public money?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

I have a couple of questions about the proposed group. First, I note that secretariat support will be provided by an individual in a personal rather than professional capacity. Is that right?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

Thank you very much for that. We look forward to receiving your correspondence, and we will continue to aid and assist, which is the committee’s responsibility.

I will kick off with a few questions and then throw you to the lion’s den in the usual way. However, before I start, I want to pick up on something that happened at the tail end of last year, so that it is on the public record. It relates to the Standards Commission for Scotland and the section 10 direction on the outcome of investigations. As you said in your opening words, your office is in a very different position from that which it has been in in the past, which is absolutely to be welcomed.

Do you want to take the opportunity to explain what the section 10 direction was and, more important, why the Standards Commission for Scotland is happy for that direction now to fall by the wayside rather than be renewed?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

The fact that it is lapsing is an indication not only that it has come to the end of its usefulness but that the purpose that sat behind it—in this case, the reporting of each investigation—is now hardwired into the system so that it cannot—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the first meeting in 2025 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee.

We have received apologies from Ruth Maguire, and I welcome Rona Mackay, who is attending as a committee substitute. We have also received apologies from Annie Wells. I hope that both Ruth Maguire and Annie Wells recover soon.

Our first agenda item is a decision on taking business in private. Agenda item 6 is consideration of the evidence that the committee will hear from the Ethical Standards Commissioner. Are members content to take item 6 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

Our next agenda item is to hear from the Ethical Standards Commissioner. Good morning, Ian Bruce. I welcome you to the meeting, and I am happy to hand over to you for an introduction.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

Thank you. The winding up of CPGs is certainly music to my ears, as it is appropriate.

Daniel, thank you for attending. We will consider the application under the next agenda item, and the clerks will contact you in the normal way. Thank you for your attendance today.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

I echo that view. I am satisfied that he understands what his obligations would be.

Although this is technically not part of the process of recognising the CPG, I note that the committee has expressed significant concerns about MSPs’ workloads. Daniel Johnson’s frank comments about the secretariat were helpful.

Looking at the proposal for this cross-party group, I would have had absolutely no problem with the CPG had it been proposed in the early months of the parliamentary session; I see its benefit. However, to speak to your point, Sue, when we come to our inquiry, it should perhaps be recognised that a decision needs to be made about what the cut-off date for CPGs is.

With that in mind, are committee members inclined to consent, or do you want to make it more formal than that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Martin Whitfield

I am content to put it to a vote.

The question is, that we agree to the formal establishment of the CPG on France. Are we agreed?