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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 November 2024
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

—and, in due course, the communications strategy, which would also be useful.

I want to end with something that I did last time. In the final paragraph of your statement in the report, you rightly extend your gratitude

“to each and every one of the staff in the office for their unwavering dedication, their remarkable resilience”—

we have spoken about that today—

“and their support during this challenging period”

and say that you

“remain immensely proud to belong to this team.”

On behalf of the committee, I echo those words to you and your team. When we last discussed these matters, it was in an “exceptionally” challenging period, whereas we are now in just a challenging period. That does not mean that it is easy or that it is solved, but I thank you for your frank and honest evidence, and I thank Angela Glen for her assistance.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence: Proxy Voting Scheme

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

Our third agenda item is consideration of correspondence from Stuart McMillan about the proxy voting scheme. I know that members have had an opportunity to look at his letter, and perhaps you will be patient while I kick off the discussion. We are in a period this year with the proxy voting scheme being trialled very deliberately. I am pleasantly surprised at the uptake of the proxy vote, which has facilitated members exercising their constituents’ rights for them to vote here while still having a work-life balance that works for them.

Stuart McMillan has written to us about the particular matter of seeking an extension in relation to parliamentary duties that are outwith this Parliament, if I can put it that way. It is a valid question to ask. However, I am slightly concerned about its timing because, with discussion with members from across the chamber, we took a long time to deliberate about the pilot scheme itself. We did that very deliberately because we wanted to build support for proxy voting and we wanted members to feel that they could use it.

Part of the process is that we will review it—probably in the autumn, after the summer recess—so that we can make proposals to the chamber to make permanent what are, in effect, temporary changes to the standing orders. In my view, part of that will be an opportunity for members across the chamber to again say whether they would choose to use proxy voting; it will come back to the committee to see whether there is agreement, and then it will go to the chamber for agreement. To some extent, Stuart McMillan’s letter is slightly premature, but it definitely indicates an area that we would be more than happy to look at when we consider the permanent proxy voting scheme rather than the one that we operate at the moment.

To that end, I suggest that we invite Stuart McMillan, in due course, to give evidence, as we will collect evidence from a number of members, including those who have been granted and have used the proxy vote, because that is important. We will also offer an open invitation for members to suggest other situations in which they think proxy voting might be useful, given that we still have remote voting in this Parliament—that is now a fixture of our iterative development—and given that there are other methods that exist between parties to match members who cannot vote, when there is a number of them. Do members have any comments, or is the committee happy to proceed in that manner?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. Thank you. As promised, that was my last question.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

Good morning, and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2023 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take in private items 4 and 5, as well as future consideration of the recommendations in “A Parliament for All: Report of the Parliament’s Gender Sensitive Audit”. Item 4 is consideration of the recommendations in that report, and item 5 is consideration of evidence that we will hear today from the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

I have a follow-up question that is about the manual, but is also about the whole process. It is interesting that, on the website, there is a single point of entry to a complaint regardless of whether it is about an MSP, a councillor or another person. On my reading of it, that would tend to indicate to people who use the website that the process is the same in all those cases. That is my own entirely subjective view, but the person will know whether they are going to complain about an MSP, a lobbyist or a councillor, and I wonder about the thinking behind having a single point of entry.

Why not allow people to see the differentiation that exists? We have seen evidence that the approach can cause confusion further down the line. Why was that approach chosen? Would you reconsider it—or, indeed, are you reconsidering it?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

There are a couple of things to say in conclusion. I would like to turn to the public appointments side because, although it does not get as much airplay as other matters, it is a crucial role that sits with you. Some serious questions have been raised about how diversification in public appointments has gone or not gone. Will you comment on the changes? There is a full account in the annual report, but perhaps you would talk about how it has changed since the tail end of last year—since the report that we are looking at—and what your hopes are for it in the future.

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

That gives us hope for the future. As you say, it is far from a concluded effort; perhaps it is an effort that should be on-going and never concluded. It is becoming apparent that the age of appointees is an issue. Would you like to comment on the lack of younger people putting themselves forward for such roles, which are very important for the communities that the various public appointments interact with?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. I think that you have offered to share the staff planning document, which would be useful—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

Do you envisage that, in that process, the reporting would be to the SPCB or to somewhere else? I know that that is a difficult question because you have not had a lot of discussion with the SPCB.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

That explanation is helpful. I echo your words about ambition—it would be good for there to be ambition about what can be achieved in a number of different areas.

I have a short technical question. A criticism that has been levelled with regard to the financial reports from auditors is that the next 12 months is fine but planning for the medium and long term leaves a little to be desired, if I can put it that way. Obviously, you are cognisant of that criticism. Do you hope to improve that in the very near future, either before the next report or perhaps even sooner?