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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
Do we know authoritatively that voters can apply that critical assessment to what is put in front of them?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
If anything comes to you once you have had the opportunity to consider what has been discussed today, please feel free to write to us. I hope that you will not mind reciprocating if we correspond with you later.
I thank Dame Susan Bruce, Louise Edwards and Andy O’Neill for their attendance today.
11:16 Meeting continued in private.Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the eighth meeting in 2024 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received no apologies this morning.
Our first agenda item is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take in private item 3, which is consideration of the evidence that we will hear from two panels on the Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill at stage 1?
Members indicated agreement.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
Our second agenda item is to welcome the first panel, which is Ailsa Henderson, who we can still call the new chair of Boundaries Scotland—welcome to your first appearance before us—and Colin Wilson, electoral boundaries review manager for Boundaries Scotland.
I will kick off with some questions. I am content for both of you to answer questions if you have contributions to make, or indeed for only one person to answer, if that is easier.
My first question is about the proposal in the bill to move the deadline for the review of aspects of local authority elections from 31 December 2028 to 30 April 3031. [Interruption.]
Yes—2031. It would an incredible wait if it was 3031.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
The issue covers your dual roles. Your Boundary Commission for Scotland Commissioner role relates to Westminster elections, which is distinct from your other role as chair of Boundaries Scotland, which has responsibility for the Scottish local authorities and the Scottish Parliament elections.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
Perfect. There we go.
Stephen, can I pass over to Ivan, or do you want to continue?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
Automaticity would not change the Boundary Commission’s process for amending boundaries, because there would still be local engagement and feedback loops. It would just come in with the final recommendations and relate to whether they can be blocked, perhaps—as you suggested earlier—by people who have reasons for doing so, rather than as a result of the existing process. Even if automaticity existed, there would still be a level of protection if—of course, this would not happen—the Boundary Commission itself were to stray from the statutory requirements. There would still be a process for holding the commission to account for any errors that it made. It would not make you the all-powerful unquestionable decision makers in this situation.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
We come to our second panel as we take evidence on the Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill at stage 1. Dame Susan Bruce is the electoral commissioner for Scotland, Andy O’Neill is head of the Electoral Commission Scotland, and Louise Edwards is the commission’s director of regulation and digital transformation. I welcome you all to the meeting.
I think that you wish to make a few opening remarks, Dame Susan.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
My first question is about that tried-and-tested period of six months. Substantial amendments and changes are proposed in the bill. Are you confident that six months is still a sufficient period for developing an understanding, so that people who stand for election, those who support them and the people who will exercise their democratic right and vote will understand the changes?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Martin Whitfield
I want to press you on the symbolism point. I am more than happy for you to say that this is outwith your remit, but is it the purpose of primary legislation to send that signal?