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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
I am slightly conscious of the time, so I will jump to Alexander Stewart.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
Absolutely. I have spoken to the clerk about my role as the convener, and I have indicated to a number of CPGs that I will not take part in them simply because of that role. That is not a requirement; it is just something that I feel would be beneficial, so that CPGs understand that there is an even-handedness.
Attendance at, and membership of, a CPG by any member of this committee is perfectly fine. I think that it is good practice to point out—exactly as you have, Paul—when you have a specific interest in something that is before us, but that certainly does not preclude your involvement in the discussion.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
I just want to get an answer on that. Are you saying that you are not aware of a situation in which a committee has said no to a proposed appointment?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
Are you confident that the amended code will facilitate that if the intention is there?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
I thank Ian Bruce for joining us. Ian is the acting Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland. If it is all right with you, Ian, given that we have already had the pleasure of talking to you and reading through your report, I would like to go straight to questions from members, two of whom join us remotely. Members who have any follow-up questions should indicate that to me and we can take it from there.
The first question comes from Bob Doris. I am not sure whether he can hear us. Are you all right, Bob?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
Thank you. That has been raised by a number of people as a fine example of how the process should work. You are right to put it on the record.
I now turn to Alexander Stewart—thank you for your patience, Alexander.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
Given the time, I will push for a yes or no answer on this. There are clearly changes in the way that you are reporting, through the contents of the annual reports and the publication of your minutes. We are not going to lose any information that was previously reported in a way that means that trends are no longer trackable over a period of time, are we?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
Agenda item 3 is on cross-party groups. We are asked to consider a change of purpose for the proposed cross-party group on independent convenience stores.
Paragraph 40 of section 6 of the code of conduct requires that any proposal to change the purpose of a group must be drawn to the attention of the committee, and the committee can then decide whether the group should be accorded recognition. Paragraph 6 of the clerk’s paper sets out the purpose of the group in session 5, and paragraph 7 sets out the proposed new purpose. There has been a change, and I am very grateful to Gordon MacDonald, who is the convener of the group, for providing an explanation for the change, which is set out on page 8 of the paper.
Before I invite comments, I want to float a challenge that I see developing. In setting out its purpose, the cross-party group stated various facts, and those facts have now changed. As a result of that, the convener has—rightly—written to us to say that things have changed and, therefore, the group’s purpose needs to come back before the committee. I think that it would be beneficial to discuss whether, going forward, we should provide more guidance on that aspect of setting up a cross-party group, to prevent a factual change—be it in the number of people who visit an area, the produce that is landed somewhere or even a style or fashion—requiring the matter to come back before the committee, for discussion of the reasons why the MSPs have formed the group, and whether the purpose of a CPG should be set at a higher level.
I invite comments on the application that sits before us on the change of purpose.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
Absolutely. That was very succinctly put.
Is there any desire among committee members not to allow the CPG to reregister? I see no suggestion of that, so I formally ask whether members agree that the CPG on independent convenience stores should still be accorded recognition with its new purpose.
Members indicated agreement.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Martin Whitfield
It is not a simple process of things getting worse. It is more complex than that and there are more nuances in it, but it is interesting that you have seen a rise in a particular view that people have of the respect that, in essence, citizens are showing each other in this place, in councils and elsewhere. Do you think that the figures are sufficient to make a strong conclusion that that is where it is going, or do we need more time?