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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

So, we do not have any figures at all: we do not know if it is 10 dogs, 100 dogs or 1,000 dogs. We do not have anything at all.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

You mentioned that you had received letters. In a letter, Michael Gove MP warned that Scotland could become a “dumping ground” for XL bullies and raised concerns that it had not yet been possible to secure equivalent protections in Scotland. What engagement did you have with the UK Government? How many meetings and phone calls did you have?

I will go back to a couple of things that you have just said. You mentioned the announcement on 15 September and said that there had been no communication with the Scottish Government. I am under the impression that, on 15 September, when the UK Government made the announcement, UK officials were also in contact with Scottish Government officials.

You also mentioned that 21 September was the first meeting of the working group. Again, I am under the impression that Scottish Government officials were part of that working group and that they helped to come up with the definition and conformation of the dog breed. You said that you have had no communication, but I am under the impression that Scottish Government officials were involved from the day of the announcement and that every letter that you received asked for meetings with the Scottish Government and for you to be involved, because the UK Government wanted it to be a joint approach, so that there would be none of the loopholes that you are talking about.

I am also under the impression that the loopholes have been created because there has been no engagement on the matter with the UK Government from the Scottish Government. It is the lack of legislation in Scotland that has created the loophole. That happened because we did not put the legislation in at the same time.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

You may have engaged with stakeholders, but you have chosen not to engage at all with ministers in Westminster.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

I am wondering about the loophole, as it was highlighted that it could have been an issue. If you had engaged with UK ministers, would you have expected the UK Government to legislate for crimes that might be committed in Scotland? I would have thought that that would come under our remit. At the moment it seems that, if somebody rehomes a dog, abandons a dog or does not register a dog, that is an offence in England and Wales. I think the UK Government said that, if somebody then came to Scotland with their dog, those would not be offences in Scotland, so it could not legislate for that. Would you have expected the UK Government to legislate for something in Scotland? Is that not why the UK Government was trying to engage with you, so that you could put something in place here?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 8 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

Thank you. We note that part of the management response to the annual audit report refers to the spending of more than £77,000 for one person to attend a training course abroad, which was mentioned earlier, as “an oversight”. The governance framework between the commission and the Scottish Government appears to make it quite clear that the commission was required to obtain approval for that spend, as set out in its delegated financial authorities. Do you know why that situation occurred?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 8 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

It was a very expensive oversight. At the time that it was highlighted, did the commission carry out any internal investigation into its processes and procedures? Did it investigate why that happened in the first place and why it had spent £77,000 on a course for one person?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 8 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

I take it that you would have expected the Scottish Government sponsorship team to be aware that the chief operating officer of a relatively small organisation was attending a training course abroad. Does the Scottish Government sponsorship team monitor the activities and engagements of key personnel in the organisations that it sponsors?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 8 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

It is unusual for public funds to be used for gifts. Do you know when that practice first began and whether it was ever highlighted to management as part of the previous audit work?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 8 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

Was that a result of a lack of skill or training in the organisation? Whoever was giving out the gift vouchers should have known that there would be a tax implication.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 8 February 2024

Sharon Dowey

Paragraph 13 of the report states that the commission’s 2022-23 annual report and accounts state:

“There have been no governance issues identified ... However, during the year, some weaknesses were identified in relation to WICS’ travel and expenses policy.”

It then mentions

“a revision of the policy in January 2023”.

Was the spending on the course, the gift vouchers, the meals and so on identified as an issue in January 2023? When was that first highlighted?