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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

Okay. How do you decide who should investigate between the PSD, the PIRC or another police force, and why would it be necessary for a case to go to another police force and not just stay with the PIRC?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

That is fine. Why would it go to another police force?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

One of the biggest complaints that we have heard is about the time it takes to do many of those things. HM chief inspector of constabulary said that it

“takes far too long for the Criminal Justice organisations to investigate criminal complaints”

and that

“There is a general lack of pace applied to the investigation.”

He also said that there was a

“Lack of communication between the three parties involved (Police Scotland, PIRC and COPFS)”.

Do you think that the bill will reduce those timescales?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

So you have not come across anything like that when you have done investigations.

In an earlier session, we heard evidence that Police Scotland’s professional standards department should not carry out preliminary assessments of complaints against officers, because it is not independent. Would the PIRC, if it was given sufficient resources, be in a better place to carry out those assessments to avoid any perceived or actual bias?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

A previous witness told the committee that Police Scotland took one year to investigate a complaint and that the PIRC then took the best part of a year to review it. Is there a target that the PIRC aims to meet when reviewing complaints made against officers from members of the public?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

Can I ask another quick question, convener?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

Fifty-six days is quite a long time. When you get the initial report, would you not expect to get a statement from the person that has been accused of the crime so that you can get their version of events?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

Should access to the list be limited?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

My question follows on from the questions that you have already been asked. I am interested in timescales. You said that there is sometimes, when an allegation about police officers comes to you, already evidence that the allegation might be malicious, so they are put to you straight away. What is the timescale for, for example, getting evidence on a complaint from somebody who has been arrested and said that excessive force has been used? Such complaints come straight to you, but what is the timescale for getting evidence?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

Right. I know that we have to hold the police to a higher standard, but do you think that the police being obliged to report to your department once a complaint of criminality is made, regardless of whether there is sufficient evidence, is an effective system?