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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

I will come back in later, then.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

Good morning and thanks for coming. My first question is a query on the budgets. The FBU submission says that the capital budget is increasing by £10.3 million and that the real-term revenue increase is £9.1 million after deducting £4.4 million for the previous year’s settlement. The SFRS submission says that the revenue has a cash uplift of £9.5 million after deducting £4.1 million for the previous year’s pay settlement. There are slight differences in the figures, but the SFRS submission says that you are still faced with making further savings of approximately £4 million in 2024-25 to offset pressures from staff pay awards and non-pay inflation. Can you clarify that there was not an actual real-terms increase and that you still had to make cuts?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

Dave Crawford, do you want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

We heard earlier from the FBU about its “Firestorm” report. It was quite good that it said that you gave it the same weighting as you would a report from the HM fire service inspectorate in Scotland.

In April 2024, the SFRS published a three-year delivery plan covering 2024-25 to 2026-27, and, in December 2021, it published its long-term vision for the next 10 years. Do you have an action plan with tasks and timescales for their completion? We have heard about long-term plans in response to an earlier question. What progress has been made, and how much engagement and support are you getting from the Scottish Government?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

I have a quick question, convener.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

How much engagement do you have with the Scottish Government on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

I will keep that question for the next panel.

I have a couple of questions on how well the SFRS is adapting to changing demands through training and equipping staff. As was mentioned earlier, the Grenfell statement is coming out today. Is the SFRS aware of all the sites in Scotland that still have flammable cladding? Are firefighters suitably trained to deal with those fires? Given that 10 high-rise appliances have been cut, do we have the right equipment in those locations to ensure that, if the unthinkable happens, the service is prepared?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

Do you generally meet all your targets, or is there slippage? If the latter, do those then become targets for the following year? I am asking that because we have been talking about budgetary constraints.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Sharon Dowey

Will Pauline McNeill take an intervention?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Sharon Dowey

On that point, the briefing from Victim Support Scotland says:

“there is an extremely short timescale and there is no mechanism to ensure that every victim is notified in advance and offered a support and safety plan.”

It adds:

“this is extremely disappointing as it was one of the key asks from the previous emergency release programme”.

Is Pauline McNeill concerned that lessons are not being learned and that we will be here again in a few months’ time?