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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

This was not just issuing letters; this was “Lights, camera, action!” with the First Minister. Given that you had not got there yet and there was still the unresolved issue with the builders refund guarantee, did you have any concern that you were going to compromise further negotiations?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Were you aware of any Cabinet-level discussions about the decision to award preferred bidder status to FMEL?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

But there could have been those discussions?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Yes. There is an issue here, of course, in that the proposed contractor was somebody who had close personal connections to the independence movement, your party and, therefore, the party of Government. What was your personal relationship with Mr McColl like?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

However, given the widespread media reporting that he was, perhaps, close to the party, did you foresee any political risk in that situation? Could that be one of the banana skins that you wanted to clear?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

CMAL said that it did not attend the ceremony for preferred bidder status—which, as we found out today, you also did not—because it was concerned that it would compromise the negotiation position further, critically around the builder’s refund guarantee. What is your view on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

You have mentioned financial risk. There was an element of political risk in the decision, in that the contract was being awarded to a well-known businessman who was aligned to the Scottish National Party, the party of Government, and to the independence cause. What were your thoughts at the time about awarding such a high-profile contract to such a figure, who was clearly known to have connections to the party of government?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Good morning, Mr Mackay. Thank you for appearing before the committee.

In his report, the Auditor General identified a major issue in relation to insufficient documentary evidence, which has been a concern for the committee. Subsequent to the report’s publication, there was documentary evidence to suggest that you were responsible, and a release came out to suggest that you were responsible for taking the decision. We now know who took the decision, but we do not know why.

Do you think that there is still some documentary evidence out there that might give us further information as to why the decision was taken, first to announce Ferguson’s as the preferred bidder, and secondly, to award the contract despite the misgivings about a full builders refund guarantee?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Okay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Did you get the impression that the First Minister was actively involved in the negotiations at that stage, or at least was being well briefed about the discussions about reaching the preferred bidder status?