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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 March 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

I will start with a question for clarification, just to get it on the record. In your view, which minister took the final decision to proceed with the contract?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

Which minister signed the contract?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

If I advise you not to do something in pretty strong terms and you then proceed to do it, I am either being ignored or overruled, am I not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

Okay. We have clearly touched on who took the decision—although I still have real concerns about that—but we do not understand why. When are we going to get to the why, and what changed materially to allow CMAL to set aside all its very significant concerns—so much so that it wanted to reopen the procurement process? Where is the documentary evidence that the Auditor General requested to say why the final decision was taken? Significant concerns were raised in September 2015, but we do not know what changed between September and October. Surely, with all the research that you must have done for coming before us today, you must have a greater understanding of what changed.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

Nonetheless, you would accept the principle that when you have discussions with ministers, they can be minuted, but there can also be water cooler moments where discussions are had. Are you certain that everything that needed to be recorded around that time, principally during those critical 24 hours in October, was recorded?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

You are saying that the Auditor General got it wrong.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

You can be certain about that, but you are not certain about what those discussions were, because you were not there.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

He took the final decision.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

Okay. No minister signed the contract. CMAL had significant concerns, and it raised them with ministers, then it signed the contract. Was CMAL overruled, or were its views ignored?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Craig Hoy

The Auditor General does not think that that paper trail is sufficient.