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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Craig Hoy

I have one final question, which is more relevant today than it would otherwise have been. You said to the Public Audit Committee that the difference paid from the block grant in relation to welfare spending, which, if the UK Government goes in a slightly different direction in relation to how people qualify for welfare, will be £1.5 billion or thereabouts, is “material but ... manageable.” Personally, I think that it is material but possibly unmanageable at present. Is there not a significant risk in the Scottish Government’s budget, because of where we are at present and where we might end up if the UK Government cuts back on welfare spending?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Craig Hoy

Okay. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Craig Hoy

The act that we are looking at dates from 2010, so this is the third extension to it. I accept that we need to do something, as having some process is better than having no process, so can you give us some assurance to convince us that this is not just a holy grail and that we are not going to keep renewing it while seeing no material change?

In 2011, the Christie report said:

“It is estimated that as much as 40 per cent of all spending on public services is accounted for by interventions that could have been avoided by prioritising a preventative approach.”

You are now talking again about the need for a preventative approach when the Christie report, which was commissioned by John Swinney, came to that estimate of 40 per cent back in 2011. Roll forward 14 years, do you have any basis on which to assess what that percentage is now? Have you made any positive impact in relation to that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Craig Hoy

The financial memorandum anticipates significant savings in the long term. If we think about social harms, family breakdown and loss of employment—we can go through the range—£4 being saved for every £1 that is spent certainly looks to be a pretty decent equation, but that will come in the long term. Have you an assessment of the long-term horizon? Is it three to five years or five to 10 years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Craig Hoy

You said in your opening remarks that the bill would have a significant impact on those who live in Scotland’s most deprived communities, who are more likely to die from drugs and alcohol misuse. A lot of Government funding is focused on ending child deprivation and we know that those things are all inextricably linked. Is it fair to say that the expenditure will yield the greatest improvement in quality of life for the people who live in deprived communities who, in many respects, still fall through the cracks?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Craig Hoy

Finally, the Auditor General said in the same report that the Government

“has not provided enough leadership to help public sector bodies deliver change.”

You had the summit recently, and you are leading the charge, so is your neck on the line in relation to delivering that holy grail?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Craig Hoy

Given that we are again talking about preventative spending, it would probably be good to see on what basis it was assessed and whether any progress has been made.

Jumping forward to last autumn, Audit Scotland took up a similar position, in which it said that there is still

“no evidence of large-scale change on the ground”

and that the Government

“does not know what additional funding is required to support reform”.

You have put £30 million in the budget this year for invest to save. Can you give the Auditor General some assurance that you are working towards getting an actual figure that you will work towards to leverage in the reforms that ultimately might meet the initial objectives of the act?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Craig Hoy

Finally, finally—sorry, convener—you identified the concept of the single authority model in relation to health boards and councils. Is that a lesson that you should roll out through Government more widely, given that you say that it is quite difficult for you as the minister in charge to drive reform? Do you need to consider coherence in relation to the number of public bodies that are out there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Craig Hoy

Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Craig Hoy

Good morning, Mr Ross. A fair few of the questions that I might have dwelt on have already been asked, but perhaps I can help out Mr Mason a little bit with regard to costs.

On the alcohol side of the equation, the alcohol and drinks industry is already committed to significant expenditure on combating alcohol harm and community alcohol partnerships, and there is also money that it puts into self-regulation and so on. Have you had any discussions with that industry about how money that is already being spent could be repurposed for such a programme, or how, say, some of the revenues from minimum unit pricing—which, according to the Fraser of Allander Institute, are approximately £32 million a year—could be used to meet some of the costs of what I think is a worthwhile bill?