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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

Apologies, convener—could I make another point of order? I abstained from the vote on amendment 171, but I should have supported that amendment. Can that be noted on the record?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I understand what you have said about the singular including the plural as a default, minister. That relates to half of the intention of the amendments in the group, but the other half relates to the “avoidance of doubt” clauses to ensure that permission is sought for each owner of each section of land. I am not sure that that point has been addressed by your comments about the singular including the plural.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

Would they need to be defrosted for sale prior to the deadline of 31 December?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I am sorry, convener—I got in a muddle. I thought that we were still on amendment 158. I realise that it is probably too late to change my vote, but can I just note that I would have opposed amendment 24?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

Can we check that vote? I think that there might have been a delay on Microsoft Teams.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I am grateful. Minister, on amendment 174, in the name of Christine Grahame, did you say that you would look again at the issue ahead of stage 3, with a view to Christine Grahame bringing an amendment back at that stage, or are you ruling out any amendment that seeks to exclude the specific situation in which a person

“in the course of any activity involving the laying of”

a

“scent ... allows a dog to hunt a wild mammal”?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I support amendments 113 and 124, in the name of Colin Smyth, which seek to exclude relays as well as packs. In England, such practices have been observed being used as a loophole to continue mounted hunts, and it is important that we prevent such a loophole here.

I cannot support amendment 242, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, because its proposed definition of “under control” seems to defy any reasonable understanding of the phrase. I am also not minded to support amendment 244, given that it has been made clear throughout the passage of the bill that the definition of “pack” that we are working with relates to more than two dogs. I would be interested to hear the minister’s response, though.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

Are you saying that you are confident that the use of a relay—two dogs, followed by two dogs, followed by two dogs—would be caught by the legislation and would not be permissible?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

Will you keep their commercialisation as defrosted under review, or is that a hard cut-off date after which it will not be looked at again?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I am grateful to Christine Grahame for lodging amendment 174, because it strengthens section 11 of the bill by placing a greater responsibility on those following scents. Therefore, I will not support amendment 174A, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, which would narrow the scope of amendment 174. Nor will I support amendments 237 or 238, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, because I am concerned that they could create a loophole for trail hunting.