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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Tess White

The Finance and Public Administration Committee had serious concerns about the financial memorandum that accompanies the bill. What is your view of that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Tess White

What you said on co-design—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Tess White

One of the questions that remains unanswered comes from Reform Scotland, which feels that there has been inadequate

“explanation about why simply removing local government from social care will lead to an improvement in delivery.”

It also pointed out that

“The loss of local understanding and accountability, especially in more rural areas, were highlighted as risks of the proposals during the consultation”.

Will you comment on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Tess White

I have one question for Alison White. I noticed that you said that co-design should come before the legislation, not after it. My question relates to what you said about your concern that further integration could make adult social care a delayed-discharges service. Could you go into more detail as to how that might happen?

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Tess White

Huge parts of the bill will be implemented through secondary legislation, which will mean much less parliamentary scrutiny. Can you comment on the appropriateness of that use of secondary legislation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Tess White

I do; I have a question for Eddie Fraser. SOLACE has said:

“there is very little detail or consideration of the significant implications for local authorities, not only in respect of workforce, but also in respect of council assets and liabilities”.

Do you agree with that assessment? Do you want to put on the record the effect that the bill will have on local government workforce, assets and liabilities?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Tess White

I have two questions, one for Jennifer Paton and the other for Isla Davie.

The picture that I have in my head is of being asked to comment on or scrutinise an aeroplane that is being built as it is flying through the air, which is obviously very difficult. In its written submission, the Law Society of Scotland has been very critical of the lack of detail in the draft legislation and the fact that it makes it really hard to scrutinise the bill. Therefore, I wonder, Jennifer, if you can expand on the view in the Law Society’s submission that

“It is not clear what safeguards are in place to ensure that co-design is meaningful, effective and timely and that Scottish Ministers are appropriately held to account by Parliament for the design and implementation of the National Care Service.”

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Tess White

There are benefits to centralisation, but there are also benefits to keeping things local. The Faculty of Advocates was represented on the previous panel of witnesses, and its written submission says:

“There is clearly a risk that the quality of services previously provided effectively on a local model is diluted when provision is attempted on a larger, national, scale.”

Is the nub of your concern that the move to centralisation means that control, power and funding will go to the centre, at the expense of quality local services?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Tess White

If you do not have a product, how can you scrutinise it?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Tess White

That is great. I note your comment that you are waiting with bated breath to see what is coming.