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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

In your submission, you talk about a potential fracturing of national oversight of some aspects of the NHS. Will you say a bit more about that, given the tension that you mentioned between the national care service board and the NHS boards?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

I am thinking about the types of roles that should be represented.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

Do not worry. We will move on.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

Rather than staying with the idea of purpose, I will ask my follow-up question about shared accountability. To what extent would shared accountability help to deliver the board’s purpose and objectives? Some people think that shared accountability could be a fudge or that it can be difficult to get traction.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

With something so important as a new national care service, there should be clarity if it is going to cut through and deliver. In your original submission, you said:

“it could be several years before areas which are ... worst served by social care services could hope to see any improvement”

and

“there are no interim measures proposed for areas or services which are recognised as being currently badly served.”

I suppose that the point is that, even if those concerns are addressed, the worst-served areas will not feel any impact for several years. If we are talking about shared accountability at the top, I will just go back to the discussion that we had with the previous panel, during which the word “fragmented” was used. If there is fragmented leadership, added to the concern that has been expressed by your organisation, which is that it will be years before the bill will have any impact, that suggests that the process is going to be fraught with issues.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

I accept that your area of expertise is not social care, but I have a question on an area that does lie within your expertise. Do you have a legislative point of view on how, in the bill, the Scottish Government has approached the detail about the board?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

That is helpful—thank you.

My final question is for Jennifer Paton. We have heard that there is no detailed form, and the witnesses in the previous session talked about fragmentation. Do you have any views on that in respect of the legislative process?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

Yes. What is your view on how the Scottish Government is approaching the detail of the board’s creation in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Tess White

That is helpful. Would Frank Reilly like to comment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Tess White

Some people think that the proposals will create a tug of war. I see that Stephen Morgan is nodding, as is Frank Reilly—I will go to you.