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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

I have one follow-up question. Many councils do not want the national care service anyway, and there will be huge issues if COSLA is bypassed and the Scottish Government goes directly to councils. I was looking at the written submissions, and Aberdeenshire Council asked whether staff retention, attraction and retention and pay could be focused on. If COSLA continues with withdrawal of its support and the councils do not support the bill and its proposed implementation, is it completely dead in the water?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

So, you are saying that COSLA and everyone else has forgotten the people element—the service users—and that we almost need to have a complete paradigm shift and go back to the Feeley report and the people who are receiving the care, and build up from that, rather than have what you describe as a power grab. Is that correct?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

Are you saying that it is part of negotiating tactics, or are you saying that there is a real possibility that COSLA could be bypassed?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

I have a question for Rachel Cackett. You spoke about the position that 80 per cent of your members are in. I am thinking of the role of the voluntary sector in the provision of care homes. The elastic band is already stretched too far. You said that the system is burning now. In your opinion, how will a national care service help your members, especially those members who are struggling now, to run care homes?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

The next step would be that COSLA is bypassed. What is your view of the Scottish Government bypassing COSLA and going directly to the councils?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

One of the issues raised at First Minister’s questions last week was the disparity of care among all the different areas of Scotland. There is an argument that we need a national care service in order to standardise care, accepting that there is no streamlined funding. In your opinion, how do we get standardised, high-quality care?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

Are you saying, as COSLA did, that you are not being listened to? You have come up with so many ideas; it feels strange to me that it is so late in the day. Is it the case that you have come up with those ideas and have just not been listened to? If you put forward suggestions and ideas, would you expect them to be listened to?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

In your opinion, will the national care service help people in care homes who are receiving care?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

My question is for Dr Elder-Woodward. You have referred to King Lear and the people working in social care who have to

“bide the pelting of this pitiless storm”,

and you also say that the current system is, like King Lear, “broken and unjust”. You also said that the national care service could have been

“an opportunity to reassess the role of councils”.

That was your opinion. Will you elaborate on that and say how, if the Scottish Government were to go back to the drawing board, particularly bearing in mind the fact that COSLA and the STUC have pulled their support, councils might help to move things forward or restructure them?