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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Alan Thornburrow, you spoke earlier of the failure to support people at an early age, and we have heard from Charlie McMillan that that happens throughout people’s lives because of the culture of our society. How can we use the examples of good practice to help change that culture?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to the panel. Thank you for joining us and for the information that you have provided us with. I am mindful that Alan Thornburrow has said that things need to start in early education. Some of my colleagues will pick up on that.

Joanna Panese and Carmel McKeogh spoke about businesses wanting to employ people but that there are barriers to their doing so and that they cannot do what they want to do. When businesses are successful in that regard, what makes it work? What is their mindset? We have heard about the use of the social model of disability rather than the medical model, for example. When it works, why does it work?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks very much for that. Charlie McMillan, you were nodding along to that. Earlier, you said that there are good examples but that they are small scale and are not everywhere. What are the barriers to scaling that up or out?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you—I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks.

I have similar questions for Angela Matthews. In the Business Disability Forum, what do the people you engage with need to know to enable them to employ disabled people without those fears and concerns and barriers?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to the panel; thank you for joining us this morning.

I will follow on from Brian Whittle’s questions and come back to you, Vikki. You talked about the case studies in the report that the FSB published a couple of years ago. Do you get the sense that there is an appetite among your members to learn and to share information about what works, how easy it was and where the challenges were? You have all spoken about employers’ uncertainties, fears and worry about the cost of employing disabled people. How can we overcome the barriers that might just be barriers of perception rather than reality?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

I turn to Heather Fisken. Following on from that, where do you see the gaps in the national plans and strategies for the ambition of halving the disability employment gap? Is there enough co-ordination? Are people talking to each other? Do we have the structures of the plans and strategies right, in your view?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

I have a similar question for Chirsty McFadyen. I very much take to heart Heather Fisken’s challenge, in that halving the disability employment gap is not ambitious enough. Where have you identified the gaps or the lack of co-ordination across the strategies and plans?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That has been really helpful. One of the challenges is that, although really good work might be happening in different parts of government—from local government all the way through to the United Kingdom level—things might not be being joined up.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That was really helpful. Whose responsibility is it to do that engagement work with small businesses to make sure that they know that it is not as big and scary as they might think it is? Are the FSB, other business organisations and government at different levels joined up enough? Are we closing the loops and connecting each other in the right way in our approach to narrowing the disability employment gap?