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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

In your opening statement, you talked about the importance of intersectionality in Deaf Action’s work. Can you say a little more about how we can ensure that we embed intersectionality in how we think about the disability commissioner and the broader landscape?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you, convener. I probably should have done this at the start of our evidence taking. Just so that folks are aware, I note that I used to work for a vision impairment organisation of which the Royal National Institute of Blind People Scotland was a member—the Scottish Council on Vision Impairment. That was about a decade ago.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is really helpful. You mentioned that a disabled person might also be a young person or an older person. That is what I interpret as intersectionality and an understanding of the multiple identities that any one person can hold. Is the way to deal with those intersectional issues and have internal referral processes—if I can use “internal” in that way—by having a very clear framework or structure, however it is designed, of collaboration and communication? Would taking that intersectional approach deal with some questions or potential problems, but would we then miss a vital need elsewhere, because we are looking at a different picture?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning and thank you for joining us this morning and for what you have said so far.

You have all talked about the cluttered landscape and the difficulties that disabled people might have in finding a route to the person who can help them. There is the potential for duplication of the powers and mandate of a disability commissioner and those of other commissioners or organisations. As we try to work through that, how do you see the proposal dealing not only with the cluttered landscape but with potential duplication and overlap of mandate and action, from the point of view of disabled people?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks—that is helpful. Suzi, you were nodding as Eddie was talking. What are your thoughts on this?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you—that was really helpful. I will leave it there, convener.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

You mentioned people working together across commissions and sharing information. Do you see any potential issue with different commissioners having different levels of authority or different levels of power? For instance, under its current mandate, the SHRC cannot take enforcement action.

As you have said, there are proposals for different commissioners. We could argue that that means that the powers that the existing commissioners have are not sufficient or that all the powers that they have are not being used effectively. What are your thoughts on potential differences of authority or mandate across different commissioners?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

I would like to explore that point a bit further. You have all said that we are in the situation that we are in because disabled people have been failed by existing bodies and, probably, by every structure not delivering and not supporting them appropriately.

We have also heard your point about the need for the commissioner to have clout and teeth. If we get a disability commissioner with the clout, the teeth and the resources, how do you see that commissioner working with some of the other commissioners? You have mentioned memorandums of understanding, but given that the mandates of the SHRC and the EHRC are different, do you see there being any problem with the disability commissioner potentially having more powers than a national human rights institution, whether that is the SHRC or the EHRC? Tressa, do you have a view on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Suzi. Jamie, perhaps I can ask you the same question. How do you view the potential for dealing with overlap and duplication, notwithstanding what Suzi Martin has said about the gaping holes in provision?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is interesting. You have all described and the committee heard earlier this morning and previously the failures of commissioners, other structures, support organisations and Governments to deal with some of the inequalities—you talked about the abuse, discrimination and continued injustices that disabled people face. Given all that, you therefore think that this focus—this office, person or resource—would be really instrumental in transforming that.