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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 March 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

What about the staff? You talked about having engaged with staff unions. Going forward, what do you expect that engagement to look like?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

Of course.

You have talked about learning lessons and changing what you do and how you do it in the light of things that have happened in the past—good or bad. However, I am still not hearing from you a clear commitment to anything more than consultation; I am not hearing a commitment to genuine engagement and participation. By that, I mean getting staff and students involved in presenting ideas and suggestions that are not made only in response to a plan that the Scottish Government, the trade unions and most of us sitting around the committee table find unacceptable. Frankly, anybody who has seen the plan finds it unacceptable. I am not hearing from you any more than, “This is the plan. We can tweak it around the edges, but that’s it.”

What have you have learned from engaging and communicating on the previous restructuring, and in the past four months, that will change from now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thank you very much, convener, and thank you, panel, for being here this morning.

I will try not to rehearse what has already been covered by my colleagues but, like others, I want to reiterate my very clear concern, anger and frustration that we are where we are today. We have been trying to get answers to some of the questions that have been asked since November, and although we are finally starting to get those answers, the fact that it has taken four months is not, I think, adequate—and that is before we get to the content and detail of the recovery plan.

Professor O’Neill, you said that the recovery plan was written with a financial lens but there was now an opportunity to move to a more holistic approach. When you said that, was it only the bottom line—the finances—that you were taking into account?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

So it has not been done as part of the plan. It will come later, as an afterthought.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

Were any staff members on the task force?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

I go back to the issue of student concerns. Given the university’s good commitments on inclusion and support and provision for disabled students, it recently received a bronze award under the race equality charter. How will you ensure that you provide nuanced support and information to your diverse student population through this process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

You talk about the investigation and the lessons to be learned. “Itemising” might not be the right word, but it would be helpful if that process could include a very clear explanation of how recommendations provided in previous experiences of restructuring were implemented and taken forward. There may be good reasons why some recommendations were not taken forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

My question is quite specific: how many of the advisers are higher education professionals?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

An accountancy firm—okay.

You have also promised engagement with staff and students. What will that look like? Will it involve presenting them with a draft plan and asking for comments, or will it be co-production and co-design, as Mercedes Villalba suggested?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Maggie Chapman

I am sorry; I mean the group that put together the recovery plan.