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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

Before I come to John Greenall, I will add something to the question around the potential impact not only on religious practices or what may be excluded from any ban. I am thinking about medical practitioners in your position in the organisation that you are here to represent. What might be the impact on the type of therapy provided by medical practitioners to someone—adult or child—who has concerns about their sexuality or gender identity? What are the potential impacts, and would you see any of those therapies being excluded?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to all the panellists. You have all, in different ways, expressed concerns about the potential criminalisation of pastoral care, prayer and those kinds of things. The United Nations special rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief has said that there is no conflict between the right to freedom of religion or belief and the obligation of the state to protect the life, dignity, health and equality of LGBT+ people. We have just heard quite a lot about definitions. What exceptions, if any, do you think should be defined in order to protect religious freedoms?

I will go to Piers first.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

I am interested in hearing what Peter has to say, but I am curious about the research that Piers referenced. He said that, in the vast majority of cases, no harm had been done. However, the state has an obligation to protect those in the minority of cases in which harm is caused. That is what we are seeking to work our way through.

Does Peter want to respond to that question, too?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

I thank Christine Ryan and Adam Jowett for their evidence. I have a couple of questions for each of them.

The first is for Christine. You clearly articulated three points that we have to bear in mind when considering what approach to take in legislation and more broadly. I am interested in the second point. To paraphrase, you said that legislation and regulation are all well and good, but that there is a broader cultural question for us to consider about how we ensure that our obligation to protect people’s dignity and individual rights applies across all aspects of society. Can you say a little more about that from a legal point of view? How much of that can we write into legislation, and how much of it has to come as a kind of wraparound thing that involves cultural change?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

Thank you—that was really helpful.

Adam, could you give us a bit more detail on elements of your research? How do you see those elements being translated into the legislation that is proposed in England and Wales? How might they be applied in Scotland?

We have heard hints that there are differences between the form, and people’s experiences, of conversion practices that relate to gender identity and those that relate to sexual orientation. Did your research uncover any such distinctions, or are we safe to take gender identity and sexual orientation together? Linked to that is the question of consent and the differences between adults and children in that regard. Could we hear your thoughts on those issues, please?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

Thank you—that is really helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I think that Pam Duncan-Glancy covered affirmative spaces and affirmative action previously.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Paul. I do not think that I have time to give anybody else the opportunity to come in, so I will hand back to the deputy convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

Good morning. Thank you for joining us.

I have a couple of questions. One is about automation and the links to labour and logistics; the other is about skills, collaboration and planning around collaboration.

There has been a lot of chat about the risks and opportunities of automation for not only labour markets but supply chains. Could you say a little about how ready you think we are and what we need to do? We have heard some discussion about planning and our need to plan, but what does that planning look like? There is a lot of talk about planning, but we do not know what that means.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Maggie Chapman

My next question is on collaboration. We have heard a little bit about the importance of collaboration and that we are not doing that effectively. With regard to the city region deals, have we missed a trick around the interaction between industry, academia, local government and the Scottish Government? What can you, as industry and academia, do, and what can we as the Parliament do, to ensure that we get effective collaboration? I go to Mark Logan first.