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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

I move on to the question of spousal consent and interim GRCs. The bill replicates the current provisions, but what do you think about them? Are you content with them or do they need to change? I will start with Vic Valentine.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

You are focusing on the impact on policy making and data.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

I echo Pam Duncan-Glancy’s comments and her thanks to you not only for the work that you have done in presenting written evidence to us prior to today, but for what you have said already and the support that you provide to the people you and your organisations represent.

I would like to explore in a bit more detail three specific areas of the bill: the requirement to live in one’s acquired or inherent gender for three months; the spousal consent and interim GRC issue; and the person with an interest issue.

Dr Crawford, you spoke a bit about the requirement to live in one’s acquired or inherent gender for three months in your opening remarks. We know that there are competing opinions and views about that. Some people think that three months is about right, some think that it is too long and some think that it is too short. It is a reduction from the current two years, obviously. What is your view on the provision on living in an inherent gender for three months prior to getting a GRC? Should we retain it? Colin Macfarlane said a little about the burden of evidence. Is there any risk that a requirement for proof could creep into the three months? I will start with Mhairi Crawford, and then go to Colin Macfarlane and Vic Valentine.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Do you mean specific changes around the concerns that Melanie Field was talking about, such as the reduction from two years to three months, or do you mean the specific change in the requirement for a gender dysphoria diagnosis and that medicalised approach?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Sorry if I misheard.

I appreciate that this may not be possible, but, if you are able and willing, it would be interesting if you could share with us the advice that was sent to the board. That would be really helpful.

Following on from that, I am also interested in what engagement you had with trans people and organisations that support trans people in coming to your changed view on reform.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Vic. Colin, do you have anything to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you very much.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

I move on to the question of the provision whereby a person with an interest could apply to have a GRC revoked.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Colin. Do you want to respond, Vic?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

That is really helpful.

I have another question. Melanie Field, you touched on this in that response. Earlier, you talked about medicalisation and about the distinction between medical and social transition. Alasdair MacDonald, in one of your answers to Pam Duncan-Glancy you talked about working to make the process as inclusive and accessible as possible. Given that trans identity is no longer considered by the World Health Organization to be a mental illness, why retain the discussion about the need for proof of gender dysphoria?