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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I know that another member wants to ask about age later on, so I will leave that to them.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

The evidence is increasingly clear that there is substantial published research based on direct engagement with trans people that that is not always the case. I would not want to prescribe what being a woman has to mean—the idea that you have to look, dress and act a certain way is sexism, and I would not do that—and I would not want to do that to trans people, either.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I suppose that, on the issue of the wider group and what characteristics might be included in that wider group, there are questions about why that has the legal significance that two of the panel members seem to be giving it. However, I realise that we probably need to move on, convener, so I will leave it there for now.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

There are protections for that accordingly.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you; that is helpful. You said in your opening statement that the need for a gender dysphoria diagnosis is viewed internationally as outdated. That point links closely with the current process of having a panel of medical experts assessing information. Can you comment on the appropriateness of that process, based on what you have heard from the trans people to whom you have spoken and from your analysis of that process?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you; that was helpful.

In earlier remarks there was mention of support for the World Health Organization’s reclassification of gender dysphoria. Will you say a bit more about that and why your network has come to the position that it is in on the issue?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I accept that you might not be able to answer this, but I am curious to know about the relationship that trans people whom the clinic supports have with the process of medicalisation that diagnosis determines or requires. Does that come up in your conversations?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning and thank you to the witnesses for joining us and for your opening statements and the other information that some of you provided.

I will explore two areas: first, the case for change or the need for gender recognition reform at all; and, secondly, questions around gender dysphoria diagnosis and the panel that has been associated with that process.

Sharon Cowan, I will come to you first. In your opening remarks, you talked about the views among the trans people that you speak to shifting, in the past five years, from Scotland being a great place to live to that not being the case. How do you see that as being linked—or otherwise—not so much to the discussions around this bill, on which there have already been two consultations, but to the need for change and for something that is within the current GRA to be different?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

In previous sessions, a parallel was drawn with the inclusion of homosexuality in the DSM—the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders”. Do you agree that there is a parallel? If you do not want to comment on that, that is fine. I appreciate that the subject is difficult.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you.