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Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 8 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Did you ask COSLA about those figures?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 8 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Have you asked COSLA for clarification on that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 8 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Yes, but not on the figures for how much it costs to—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 8 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Okay. I will move on, because we are getting frustrated on that point.
Am I correct in saying that we are no clearer whether assets will transfer from the local authorities to a new national care service? You have said that that will be part of the co-design process.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 8 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
What would you say to those local authorities whose budgets are coming up soon and whose capital plans contain new care homes? Why on earth should a local authority keep a new care home in its capital plan when the bill is causing so much uncertainty?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 8 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Local authorities are providing care just now. Given that it has been a few weeks since COSLA submitted those figures, should you not have had those conversations before coming to the committee?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 8 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
I guess that that highlights that the process itself is wrong, because that discussion should have been had with COSLA before we had even got to this stage. Obviously, we disagree about that—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 8 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
In evidence to the committee, the witness from CIPFA said:
“Mechanisms are in place to look at the quality of services and drive that up. The question is how we build on the existing arrangements.
Integration joint boards have been up and running for seven years. That is not a long time. There is also a lot of legislation that has been held in reserve that could be brought in to take the boards on to the next step. However, it seems that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water and starting again.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Accountability Committee, 25 October 2022; c 29.]
I presume that you disagree with that statement. Can you explain why extra powers around social care cannot be given to the IJBs?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 1 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
You do not have a lot of staff sitting around waiting for the co-design and engagement process to happen. What will have to be cut for that process to take place?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Meeting date: 1 November 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Do you expect additional budget to come your way so that you can take part in the co-design and engagement process?
