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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 November 2024
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Yes. I remind everyone of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I was a local councillor at the start of this session of Parliament.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Good morning, cabinet secretary. The plan states that:

“Mandating the reporting of procurement emissions at this time could result in unintended negative consequences and driving the wrong type of behaviour and decision making.”

Can you expand on what you mean by that and some of the “negative” things that could happen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

When you talk about the methodology, are you talking just about local authorities? After all, you have mentioned the supply chain—and rightly so. Surely the people in that need a common methodology, too. As the last panel were saying, you might be judging between two suppliers, and one might say, “I am doing great on my scope 3 emissions”, while the other says, “I am not doing so good.” However, what if they are not being judged in the correct way, and you are making decisions on that basis?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Is there a danger that the methodology might harm the smaller suppliers in the chain?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

So, it is a complete mix.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

But is it not the case that if you are not measuring something, you cannot improve it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Clare, would you like to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Mark, do you think that voluntary reporting will make any impact for local authorities?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

I think that we need more information. However, could a motion to annul be lodged and then withdrawn, once we hear the evidence?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland Climate Change Targets Delivery Improvement Report

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

The Scottish Government’s response says that:

“Mandating the reporting of procurement emissions at this time could, therefore, result in unintended negative consequences and driving the wrong type of behaviour and decision making.”

Do witnesses agree with that comment? I will go to Mark Roberts first.