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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 November 2024
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

So the Government would have known in April that there was an issue around the stairwells because of the 1261.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

If it is so complex, what does that mean for the maintenance of the vessels over their lifespan? Does it mean that it will be a lot more expensive to keep them running?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

The dual-fuel aspect has added a lot of complexity to the project. However, one of the unsuccessful bidders on 801 and 802 has since delivered four dual-fuel vessels of roughly similar size for a lot less money. Have you learned anything from that company? Are you in communication with it? How was it able to deliver dual-fuel capability when you have not been able to?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

As a committee, we should have been told, in just the same way as the cabinet secretary was told two days before, of the issues that were looming. I think that that would have just been a courtesy to the committee. I will leave it there, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

So it would have been just after April that you received the rejection of that document and you informed CMAL and Transport Scotland at that time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

We asked the cabinet secretary when he became aware of issues with the MCA and he said that it was on 28 June, when he received a submission that

“set out the requirement for FMPG to install additional escapes in the upper deck areas.”

What I cannot understand is that, two days later, we had an update from you that had only a fleeting mention of the MCA and no mention of additional stairways having to be installed. Why was the committee not told at that opportunity that additional staircases had to be installed? The cabinet secretary knew two days before.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Could the complexity of the engine management system not potentially cause issues? Are the systems not more complex than what was needed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

That £70 million figure is still a lot less than £200 million and £160 million. It seems that, instead of building two vessels, we have built a gravy train. That is a huge amount of money. What has happened to that extra £220 million? Has it all gone to contractors? Has it gone on things such as the installation of the wrong equipment, which has had to be taken out and scrapped? Where has that money gone?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

However, if you were building the ferries again, the cost would be a lot less, as you said earlier.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I come back to the point that you made at the start—you said that these two ferries are more complex than a type 26 frigate. That sounds incredible. How on earth did we get into that situation?