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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

I am just trying to understand what the “exceptional” circumstances might be. Have you any idea?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you, convener—I am sure that Mr Whittle is full of regret for not being here today.

I will speak only to amendment 46, which is intended to bring the wording of the bill more into line with the UK legislation. It would put issues that the carbon budgets must “have regard to” in the text of the bill, which would give the Government a clear direction and—one would hope—the ability to think across portfolios in respect of the climate change plan.

The need for the Government to create climate change plans in a more holistic way was outlined in the CCC’s evidence to the committee. For example, if the Government had given regard to social, economic and fiscal circumstances in creating a heat pump target, that target may have been achievable.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

I will not press amendment 38 or move amendments 39 and 40, but I will move amendment 38 so that we can debate the amendments in the group.

I will support amendment 48, because it covers what I was aiming to do with amendments 38, 39 and 40. Amendment 48 lacks timescales and a requirement for a statement to Parliament, so if Maurice Golden’s amendment 48 is agreed to today, I will try to come back with something at stage 3 to improve it further.

I am more than happy to support amendment 13, which would add a timescale.

Amendment 23, in the name of Graham Simpson, on a monitoring plan, seems sensible, as most things from him do. It is about identifying risks so it is the right way forward.

I am happy to support Monica Lennon’s amendment 57, which, again, would add timescales and a deadline to the whole process, which I feel would improve the bill.

I move amendment 38.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

You say that that could happen. Would it happen, or would there be changes? I am slightly confused because such a system was tried in England, but it did not work and it has been scrapped there. Wales is doing something completely different. I am confused about why we as a committee and a Parliament would approve what we see as a failed process.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Will there be any franchising between now and 2026?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

There is a criticism that the panel could potentially delay franchising. Do you accept that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

If the instrument was annulled, what would the Government’s response be? What would its next step be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

So—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Looking at the SPT’s trajectory, when would you anticipate a panel being created, whether the SSI is approved or not?