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Could he provide those figures to the committee?

That is helpful.

I might briefly return to the issue of resourcing.

Mr Doris has asked incredibly important questions. How much would that cost?

Vicky, have you seen a marshalled evidence base on the transfer of children’s services? As we have heard, the Feeley review was about adult care.

Fiona Duncan, do you think that we should be following evidence-based policy making? Have you seen any evidence?

That is useful.

Vicky Irons, those mixed portfolios are key to how social workers are trained, learn their profession and become qualified. How do you see all those functions landing in a national care service?

The area that I am interested in has been touched on already, but I am keen to dig a little more, as it involves the nub of my concerns, which are to do with the range of work that is undertaken by social work and children’s services and whether the national care service will focus predominantly or too much on the care issue.

Fiona Duncan, as you mentioned that issue, can you illustrate the breadth of areas that your social work colleagues deal with, beyond and including the issues of care?

I will reflect on some of the frustrations that you have expressed—as a Dundonian, I have certainly observed them—about the fact that the city council puts money into the IJB and then takes it out to plug its own financial black hole, which means that you cannot plan for services and there are problems with the money. You have expressed that challenge well.

On the model that you have postulated, would we not be looking at just replicating some of that, perhaps with the involvement of a third agency, if you were looking at bringing in children’s services and there was to be a whole other budget for that? Is it your suggestion that we pull all of that together? Is the logical conclusion of your model not to also bring education into the picture?

We are being asked to agree to a major change by passing this framework bill. Essentially, we would be approving things in principle, with the model to follow afterwards. I recognise that it is challenging to imagine what that process might look like.

We have just touched on the Promise and the Feeley review. What evidence have the witnesses seen marshalled to support the change that we as a Parliament are being asked to approve? What is the evidence base for moving children’s services? I will start with Ross McGuffie.