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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

The justification for not producing a public sector pay policy last year or the year before was that the Government did not want to set a floor for negotiations. Part of the feedback in the committee’s discussions was that it might be sensible to set out some options for mitigations that could be used in the budget in the event that it exceeded the policy. In essence, the Government has given you a number that would set a floor, which you immediately think is not sufficient, but it has not done any of the other things that are needed to try to deal with that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

I will ask about the more general, longer-term position. What impact does the budget have on sustainability, on which you reported previously?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

The final area is the sequencing of reports. We have previously talked about the differential between the OBR’s work and your work being a significant problem, but that was in relation to the huge delays—the snapshots were being taken at different times, so there was great variation. It seems that we are, on this occasion, in a slightly better position in that regard, but that you disagree with the OBR on some of the assumptions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

Are you confident that there will be an MTFS in 2025?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

We are at that point in the meeting when I will just ask questions about things that we have already covered—probably things that I did not understand. We will go back to a few of them.

The convener touched on the in-year position this year. In its initial response to the budget, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the Scottish budget for 2025-26

“excludes £1.3 billion of funding that Budget documentation implies that the Scottish Government still has to allocate to services this year.”

It went on to say that,

“despite previously suggesting it had already accounted for the top-up to its funding announced in the UK Budget in its financial planning for the current financial year, the Scottish Government is, in effect, planning to carry forward £400 million for use in future years.”

Can you set out your understanding of the in-year situation and what we might see in terms of carry-forwards?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

The £30 million that you mentioned is 0.05 per cent of the overall budget. It is not really a plan for reform. You have previously set out the issues with reform, but you have also set out the headwinds and direction of travel on the social security budget as a share of the overall budget and the relationship to the block grant allocations. Does the budget not just reinforce some of the problems that you identified rather than address them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

So your message to the Government would be that you want to see a process for that now, rather than wait until we get those numbers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

How much of what is being carried forward will be available in future years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

There is probably still some level of on-going confusion—not just in my head but, more generally, in relation to the statements that we have had from the Government regarding the allocation of money and the assumptions that it has made. However, we can take that up with the ministers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

We will move on to pay policy. It is good that we have a public pay policy, but I have to say that it felt a bit thin to me—it is written in a very big font. We have already covered the lack of progression in the numbers. How does it compare with what you would expect from a public pay policy? You have already mentioned head count, but are there other issues that you would like to see covered and which would give you a less bare figure?