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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Michael Marra

It is good to see you in front of the committee, Mr Boyle. We have not seen you for a while. Today, we are looking at your report on fiscal sustainability, which was published in November, but a lot of the things that you say remind me of comments that you have made previously. In that regard, I have picked out five Audit Scotland reports from the previous 15 months.

In your report “NHS in Scotland 2024: Finance and performance”, you said:

“fundamental change in how NHS services are provided is now urgently needed.”

In “The 2023/24 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, which was published in October 2024, you said:

“The Scottish Government’s projections suggest that it cannot afford to pay for public services in their current form.”

Back in November 2023, in “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, you said:

“Fiscal sustainability is one of the highest-ranking risks in the corporate risk register.”

In October 2023, in “The Scottish Government’s workforce challenges”, you said:

“The Scottish Government’s projections suggest that it cannot afford to pay for public services in their current form.”

Having read those reports, and your most recent one, it feels to me as if you are banging your head against a brick wall. You started today by saying that the concerns that you have raised remain valid post-budget. Is there a sense of real frustration that you are not being heard?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Michael Marra

I wonder whether the warnings that you repeatedly give us—and that you give the Government directly—in terms of detailed analysis are not sufficient to animate the Government into recognising the medium-term financial position. I am trying to understand that. Collectively, we have echoed and highlighted some of your concerns and, we hope, have put our own on to the Government’s radar. In your view, what would be sufficient to animate the Government to act?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Michael Marra

If we can see delivery against a plan, that will be positive. Previous medium-term financial strategies have shown that there is a significant gap. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has highlighted the significant gap between revenue and projected expenditure in the near-term budgets over the next couple of years. The budget this year could be described as doing no harm but, on the current trajectory, does it store up problems for years to come?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Michael Marra

Given the various reports that you have written, when it comes to broader fiscal sustainability, which parts of the public realm in Scotland are most vulnerable at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Michael Marra

I think that that makes my point, in that that would require extra money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Michael Marra

Those points on leveraging private sector funds and enabling infrastructure are really interesting. We have talked not just about development of the workforce but about availability of skills. Some people have said that some of that money should be used to build housing to allow a workforce to come in. However, we have other budgets for that, even if they have been cut over time, and my concern is that this money was really intended for building the supply chains that are needed to make good on the commitment to have manufacturing and service industry jobs that are connected to renewables. How would you react if some of that money went into things like housing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Michael Marra

Have you made any assumptions in the numbers with regard to our poor health record in Scotland? We have the highest cancer rates in the developed world, in particular across Europe. We might, therefore, anticipate that there would be a higher uptake of assisted dying as a result of longer and chronic illness.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Michael Marra

Okay. I will move on to palliative care. As a choice safeguard, we have to have excellent palliative and hospice care across the country. Do you recognise that? That is part of the big public debate.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Michael Marra

You have not, however, made any assessment of increased costs to increase the standard of palliative and hospice care in order to ensure that we have that choice safeguard in place, have you?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Michael Marra

I want to start with the issue of the comparators that you selected, which has been partly covered. Why did you choose to base the numbers more on what has happened in the US than on what has happened in Australia?