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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

The cost of that, as modelled by the Scottish Fiscal Commission, is £155 million rising to £198 million, which is one fifth of a billion pounds. Is it typical of the way that you would take a decision in Government that you take one proposal to the civil service and it gives you some kind of answer? It does not give you any other options. You do not set out the proposal, which is that you rightly want to lift children out of poverty and to meet statutory child poverty targets. You do not go to the civil service with a range of options or have the civil servants provide you with a range of options. You just go with one thing and it comes back and says—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

Do you wish that that had happened when the resource spending review was published?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

At the start of my questions, I reflected my shared concern about the impact of the tax rise on parts of the public and private sectors.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

That is good to hear.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

I hear that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

You said that, as part of their on-going work, they will have prepared options for the mitigation. Will social security civil servants have those?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

I will start in the area that Liz Smith touched on, and I thank you for your evidence on that so far.

In your evidence, you stated that you did not see any other options in front of you in regard to the mitigation of the two-child cap. At your previous committee appearance, I asked you to write to the committee to set out why you chose that option in preference to the others in the options appraisal that you carried out, and you said, “Okay” to that.

In our report, we again set that out and said:

“The Committee welcomes the Cabinet Secretary’s commitment to provide a copy of the options appraisal setting out why it chose this specific model for mitigating the two-child cap and looks forward to considering this in due course.”

In your response, you said:

“Ministers have considered a range of possible approaches to mitigation, balancing cost, the pace at which payment arrangements can be put in place and ... the need to get the systems up and running safely.”

Was there a range of options or not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

I understand that. I suppose that I am interested in the policy-making process and the relationship with the civil service around that. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has repeatedly set out its concerns—it did so in its long-term forecast—about the size of the social security bill, which is a considerable worry to it. Has the civil service at no point come back to you about the instruction that you have given it or expressed any concerns about the fiscal risks that are involved? Has there been no discussion of a ministerial direction?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

What approach should the UK Cabinet have taken?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

It was a quote from the Official Report, cabinet secretary.