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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

But there is no more money per year.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

Cabinet secretary, you have already acknowledged to the committee that that investment will take us back to the number of teachers that we had in 2008, if we can reach that. That is not even as many teachers as your Government first took on in 2007. The challenge that we face now is the greatest that we have ever faced.

We have very limited statistical evidence so far. I would like to see an awful lot more. Time and again, we have called for a focus on evidence. My question is how proportionate your response has been to the scale of the challenge. It does not seem to me as though, in your discussions with the finance secretary, you have been able to make or win the argument for more resource or for a more proportionate response to the challenge. Is that fair? The draft budget is a repetition of previous plans that do not really take into account the scale of the challenge that we face.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

Perhaps it is just me. Apologies.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

Therefore, contrary to what the First Minister announced yesterday, that is not funding for active ventilation in school but just an additional £5 million on top of the previous moneys that have been allocated, which the cabinet secretary said have resulted in very limited action. That is very disappointing and, frankly, completely contrary—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

If I may speak, cabinet secretary.

It is very contrary to what the First Minister said yesterday. In December, Labour moved a motion, which SNP and Green colleagues voted against, to set out £30 million in total, which could have procured two HEPA filters for each classroom in Scotland. Is that not the kind of action that should be taken now? We are talking about the budget today. The cabinet secretary should recognise that—she should listen to the First Minister when she says in the chamber that it should happen—and argue for £30 million to be put in place in the budget in order to procure those filters.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

I think that it would be useful to follow up on some of the issues around data, cabinet secretary. The only data that we have so far regarding the impact of the pandemic on attainment and school achievement are the deeply concerning figures that came out regarding primary school attainment levels. They show that attainment is at its lowest-ever level and that the gap between the poorest kids and the rest is at its widest ever. You would share those concerns, would you not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

When did you first have sight of those results? They were published on 14 December, and it was trailed in little snippets in various speeches and announcements that you expected the data to be very concerning for us all.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

Are you saying that the sight of the emerging evidence about the scale of the impact did not really make much difference to the approach that you took? It has been well recognised by colleagues and trade unions that the Covid recovery plan is a repackaging of previous announcements such as pupil equity funding and attainment challenge funding—although there has been a £20 million cut to that. The amounts of money are the same across a number of years. Does the scale of the challenge not require something of a different proportion to what you were doing three years ago?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

That is only because this is an extra year. The funding has been spread across another year, but there is no more money per year than there was in the previous parliamentary session.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Michael Marra

As you have acknowledged, the statistics are concerning for all of us—you called them “exceptionally concerning”. It is important that we get more evidence about the impact of the pandemic. What research have you commissioned to inform your policy and decisions about the recovery in education, particularly in relation to secondary schools? You will acknowledge that there is a gap—perhaps an understandable one, in your view—in the data at that level. What other structural research into the impact of the pandemic can the committee expect to be made available to us?