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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

I will move on to section 2 of part 2, which is regarding consultations on proposed changes to school estate and provision. I will hopefully keep it reasonably brief. When the proposals first emerged, concern was voiced to me regarding a power shift to central Government. The issue is about the consultation process and taking people’s views on board. The EIS written submission comments on any moves to remove public meetings from the process of consultations on whether a school should close permanently or be merged with another one. I ask our colleague from the EIS to set out why it is particularly important for those physical meetings to continue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

I am sorry, but we did not catch the start of your answer, David. Could you start again?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

Would it be useful to signal in the bill that we should have the maximum possible participation? Should there be a duty on local authorities to maximise participation in such consultations? Would that be reasonable?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

I have a brief final word, convener. Should the bill include a guarantee about educational access for young people, should there be school closures?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

There are too many of those.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

Alastair Sim, do you understand my characterisation of the situation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

Thank you. I have my substantive questions as well.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

I strongly agree with that.

I will put a similar question to the representative from COSLA. My experience of the process is in my local authority in Dundee, in a recent consultation prior to the pandemic on merging two secondary schools. The local authority did not get the answer that it wanted, so it ran the consultation again to get that answer. My concern with the measure in the bill is about precedent. Even though it might be reasonable to agree to the emergency legislation, if we agree to it, there could be a kind of seeping situation and we could end up with no physical meetings. Does COSLA still believe that we should have physical meetings to maximise engagement, as the EIS has said?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

The idea that Fergus Ewing is expounding that the pandemic was not predicted is completely wrong. Pandemics were predicted globally by many experts. They are high on risk registers internationally. We had pandemic planning activity in Scotland that was ignored by the Scottish Government and when the review that is being undertaken reports, we will get a better idea of that.

John Edward mentioned the comparison with England. Are the witnesses aware of any other international comparisons that we might look at where the response was better? I am fairly critical of the Government response in England, Wales and Scotland. Is there an international example of a legislative framework for emergency response that you are aware of that the committee and the Parliament should look at? Is there a better framework that will help us get the response correct next time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

I will come to Megan Farr on that issue in a moment.

The Scottish Government’s policy is that every child should have access to a digital device and the connectivity to enable its use, but I believe that that will not be provided until the end of this session of Parliament. Would the lack of provision post a real risk were there to be another mutation that lead to further school closures?