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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Michael Marra

That opens up a whole pile of questions, but I have had my time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Michael Marra

It is just that a couple of fairly large nurseries in my area have closed, which has created a lot of problems for people. I recognise that some of that is to do with behaviour changes in families, but such closures make the business models perhaps less sustainable than they previously were. It feels like a moment of fairly major change in how people are accessing childcare and nursery education, but you think that that has been taken on board in the work that has been done.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Michael Marra

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned that you will endeavour to seek consensus and that you will take your time—that is one of the things that you said. One of the committee’s witnesses last week found it quite difficult to understand why you would not wait to take on board the conclusions of a public inquiry that has been established to determine what powers there should be and why we are talking about a sequence in which we are legislating and then thinking about the situation. Can you answer that question for them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Michael Marra

Last week, I asked Paul Little of Colleges Scotland and Alastair Sim of Universities Scotland what specific problem they felt that the Government was trying to solve with the legislation. Neither of them could answer that question—in fact, one of them said that they were

“at a ... loss to understand”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 2 March 2022; c 7.]

the purpose of what was being proposed in the legislation.

That response came from members of the Government’s education recovery group—people who are intimately involved in this work. Do you not have a job to do in partnership working to convince key stakeholders that the legislation is necessary, and that it will help people rather than harm them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Michael Marra

More generally. After all—and in line with Willie Rennie’s questions—if the nursery is not there, eligible two-year-olds will not be able to access the offer. Do you undertake any exercises to understand the health of the sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Michael Marra

I have no problem with the instrument as it stands, but I noted your comments on the relationship between uptake and local government funding pressures. In going through the process, do you monitor or assess the sector’s financial health and the sustainability of the businesses in the area to ensure that access exists?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

That would be my point. It would be better if we were looking at the bill in a broader sense, when we can understand the impact of the pandemic, and that we do it properly. We must not legislate in haste and repent at leisure.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

I have a slight reflection to make on that issue. I do not believe that that is tangential at all; it is absolutely critical to our understanding of some of the unintended consequences of legislation, whether that be emergency legislation or properly scrutinised legislation. It would be remiss of the committee not to make urgent representations to the justice minister, given the evidence that we have heard today about the increase from, roughly, 40 per cent to 80 per cent in the number of young people sitting in prison without trial or recourse to justice. That is totally unacceptable, and something must be done about it immediately.

I welcome the focus on rights, including the right to education. You may have heard in the previous panel discussion about the risks in the short term of further mutations in and strains of the virus, which might result in further school closures. I want to get your reflections about what some of the consequences of that might be. There was discussion about digital access. We know that such access is far from widespread at the moment and that there are still challenges in that regard. Will Liam Fowley reflect on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

I have a brief supplementary question for Paul Little and Alastair Sim. I was quite intrigued by what Paul Little said. What did not happen in the past two years that the Government wanted to happen? If it is asking for more power to direct, what were the things that did not happen? What is the problem that the Government is trying to solve with the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michael Marra

Did you not feel at any point that the Government or ministers were asking you and your colleagues in universities to do something, and the universities were just saying, “No, we cannot do it”—perhaps the bill seeks to take more power to the centre to compel you? Do you not recall conversations along those lines?