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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

It is very useful, though, because this is an area that has not been particularly well explored or exposed. As far as I can tell, there is no appetite in the sector for mergers between universities and colleges, which I think would be extremely difficult. Is the Government keen on looking at such mergers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

We acknowledge the challenges and the great work that colleges did in that period. However, although the figures are worse for the pandemic period, they were pretty bad before it, as well. I would appreciate it if we could move on to that point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

There appears to be a significant gap between small colleges, which have better—although not fantastic, by any means—completion rates, and larger colleges, which have poorer completion rates. You have used the M-word. Are you concerned that, if there is a trend towards having bigger institutions, students might be lost in the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

That is useful. Does Andrew Witty want to comment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

I think that the committee has had four college principals in front of it and I asked that question of them directly two weeks ago. They all said that they had had no involvement whatever in that process. It does not feel like proper consultation. Nothing has been written down.

I will move back to the issue of finances. I appreciate your most recent comments and answers on that, Karen Watt, because I feel that, at the start of the evidence session, to an extent, it was being indicated that the challenges seemed to be about national bargaining rather than the overall reduction. I would not like the message that comes out of the committee meeting to be that greedy staff are taking up resources. We must recognise that there has been a significant reduction in resource from Government to colleges over the past decade. That has come out more strongly in your recent answers.

You are being asked to do more. A couple of weeks ago, when the Scottish Qualifications Authority was before the committee, it said that colleges are very well placed to make up for lost learning—the significant lost learning in our schools. Shona Struthers, is that not another headwind for colleges, in the sense of the weight that is being added to colleges at a time when resource is being taken out?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

Why are you averse to the M-word?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

Shona Struthers, may I bring you in on what Karen Watt calls the M-word? Is the M-word being used in the sector? Is it something that the sector is fearful of, or welcoming of?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

Those are young people who have had less learning in school in the past couple of years. The SQA is telling us that colleges should make up that gap. Is that what is being experienced by colleges across Scotland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

That adds to what was said in some previous answers about opportunity costs. Other pressures are coming to bear.

We have heard about 25 per cent cuts to staffing in some colleges. I take it that we are not going to get firm figures, but the committee would appreciate some form of feedback based on the written reports that Karen Watt has received from the colleges. In three years’ time, given those challenges and the funding cuts that are coming, will the sector look anything like it does now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Michael Marra

You are describing possible mergers between universities and colleges, are you not?