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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

Do you think that it was prior to June last year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

Mr Irwin?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

You understand where I am going with this. We have a nationalised yard, under the control of ministers, that produces a business plan that says that it will have a direct award, while the civil service is telling the Government that a direct award would be illegal. The Government has agreed both things simultaneously. That is the business plan that stands at the moment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

But, at that point, the OBR was projecting a far higher figure than 3 per cent. The Scottish Fiscal Commission projected 4.5 per cent, because the Scottish Government refused to provide it with the public sector pay policy. After the committee put pressure on the Government to do so, it eventually published the public sector pay policy in May last year, and that showed that there was an assumption of 3 per cent. Was that assumption of 3 per cent not completely unrealistic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

It is useful to have that comment.

Since then, there has been some evidence that, beyond its being seen as unrealistic now, it was known to be unrealistic at the time, because the external environment made that clear. One of the cabinet secretaries, in evidence to the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee on 14 January, talked about conversations being had in Cabinet about the challenges around public sector pay and their being recognised. Why would you, as the chief financial officer for the Scottish Government, believe that a public pay policy of 3 per cent—a policy whose bandwidth amounts to over 50 per cent of the entire £60 billion-odd budget—was a reasonable assumption at that point?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

My question is about the independence of the SFC, which you have mentioned, and it follows on from some of what Craig Hoy said. You say in the report that the nature of the SFC’s work

“and the possibility of a changed political landscape means that tensions could emerge. Were this to become a more significant risk to the effectiveness of the SFC at some point in the future then alternative arrangements should be considered”

around the funding of the institution. Can you say a bit more about what you see as being that “changed political landscape” and where tensions might emerge?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

Would you say that the risk is high?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

And has it increased in recent years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

That is useful to know. Your report suggests that the SFC could receive funding directly from the Scottish Parliament rather than the Scottish Government. The committee has done quite a bit of work on directly funded organisations, commissioners and so on. I do not want to put words in people’s mouths, but I would imagine that, for members around the table, the circumstances that you have described might be a concern. Which other models could increase the independence of institutions?