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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

As I mentioned earlier, I believe that the issue is very clear. The public purse is spending £7 billion over a three-year period, and I am asking for only 0.5 per cent of the justice budget for this work. It will help, and it will bring down costs, but I am not saying that it is cheap. As I have said, the bill, especially part 1, comes with a cost.

The other areas that I have highlighted in my answers to questions and in my opening remarks do not involve significant costs—that should be made clear. The majority of the cost will be down to the register.

I ask Roz Thomson and Charlie Pound whether there is anything to add from the financial side.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I am not saying that there is no evidence base for it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not have the balance sheet. You are probing at something, but I am making it very clear. To make it even clearer: I am not in Government so I cannot answer your question, because I do not have the balance sheet that shows where every penny is spent, whether that is on bad projects or good projects—I have no idea. I will say that the cost is only 0.5 per cent of the budget. Right now, the Government is spending £7 billion over three years, which is a lot of money. There you go: if you wanted me to say where the money would come from, that is a saving.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will bring in Charlie Pound to answer the technical point.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

No, I did not directly look at that aspect. However, I spoke to survivors and victims, and they felt that my bill was the right thing to do. If somebody has committed that crime, we need to ensure that the right punishment and monitoring are in place—which, to be honest, would be the case with any bill.

10:15  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Sorry, convener, can I mention some other evidence? “The Independent Strategic Review of Funding and Commissioning of Violence Against Women and Girls Services” identified that there is currently a lack of

“disaggregated intersectional data and research with minoritised groups”.

It also highlighted that the current lack of a core data set

“hinders”

the ability of public bodies

“to undertake a range of work such as local needs assessments”.

I want to put it on the record that a review has already identified the lack of data.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Ailidh Callander has made it clear that there is a statement on that in one of the documents. I do not type the documents—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

We need to see the outcome of the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill, which is being debated in the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, of which I am a member. We will take note of any amendments that are passed. At the moment, as Ailidh Callander has said, we are not being prescriptive about what the education programme should be—the bill is high level in that respect.

We need to see what that legislation brings, but if any change needs to be made, we will be happy to make it. The non-Government bills unit puts that stuff together, not me, as I am sure the member knows. It has put in that information and we are happy to send it to Ms Forbes if she requires it.

11:00  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I mentioned earlier that I have had the privilege of speaking to a majority of women’s aid organisations. The committee has also received a lot of responses to the call for views. I am not going to comment on what Marsha Scott said and whether she was speaking for herself or on behalf of Scottish Women’s Aid.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

My understanding of MAPPA is that the approach concerns the three categories that I mentioned at the beginning—sex offenders, certain violent offenders and those offenders who are considered to be continuing risks to the public.

As I said, there are people who have committed not only sex offences but also other offences, which could be domestic abuse offences—as you know, there is no stand-alone domestic abuse offence and we do not even know the stats.