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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

That is fine. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I thank the witnesses for giving such an informative summary and for their informative answers.

Dr Moon, you mentioned Blair Anderson, who told us that 60 per cent of respondents to the survey came from Christian households. Taking that into account, do we need to do further research to get evidence and hear from more diverse communities and religions in order to ensure that they are included in support for the ban on conversion therapy in Scotland? If so, should those views be heard in relation to the bill or to secondary legislation, in order to reach out further?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Equalities and Human Rights

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will follow on from what Karen Adam said. This is, of course, a very sensitive subject, and a lot of people have opposing views. Mothers, daughters and wives are all very worried that the proposals will take away their protections—it would be pointless to sit here and pretend otherwise.

Cabinet secretary, given that you said that we cannot go through all 17,000 responses, how will the Scottish Government carry out further consultation and engagement on the issue before the bill is introduced? I am mindful that you said that you are looking to introduce it in spring. Should we do any further work to ensure that we protect women’s rights, too?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, and thank you for coming along to give evidence.

At last week’s evidence session, I asked one of the witnesses what impact their proposals would have on the support that is provided by religious leaders, specifically with regard to barriers of language and culture. Their answers were enlightening, and that has brought me to my questions today. Blair Anderson mentioned that

“around 60-plus per cent of respondents to the national faith and sexuality survey that I have mentioned came from Christian households”.—[Official Report, Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, 7 September 2021; c 15.]

I want to make clear something else that was mentioned last week: this is not just about religion. Scotland is a very diverse place, and it is crucial that the legislation reaches everyone from all religions, not just Christianity. No matter what we do, religious barriers exist, and we all know that they are often hidden. Rebecca Crowther mentioned cultural sensitivities, different communities and how we have to reach out to them differently. Paul Daly touched on how the issue affects people in different ways.

With that in mind, do you think that more research and evidence are necessary to support a ban on conversion therapy in Scotland? If so, what type of research is required and why? What about the outreach behind this? On the other hand, should we just press ahead with legislation and deal with any future issues surrounding religion later on, perhaps in secondary legislation? What role do the Parliament and this committee have in educating people? There are three areas there to think about.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Equalities and Human Rights

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

My question is on ethnic minorities in deprived areas. How will the Scottish Government work with those groups that have been disproportionately impacted by the pandemic? How can we help to guide that recovery?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Equalities and Human Rights

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Throughout the pandemic, as everybody knows, a lot of ethnic minority people have been really affected, especially front-line doctors and nurses. Is the Government doing any work in that regard? With Christmas coming up, and the flu coming—although I hope that it does not—we might go through the same situation again. How do we protect our doctors and nurses who are from ethnic minority groups?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Equalities and Human Rights

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

My question is on gender recognition reform. Is there any way of telling from the individual responses what the level of support was for the draft bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I was just asking what the research that pulled all the characteristics together would look like.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for your responses. Rebecca Crowther, you just said that we should press on with the legislation but that there is further work to be done and we should engage with communities. Do you think that work should be done around the characteristics of race, religion, age and disability to identify the particular issue in different groups so that we can see what is going on in those groups? If you were to look at that, what would your outreach or research look like?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Blair, for opening up so honestly. Obviously, you had a lot of pressure from your family and certain groups. I want to know about barriers of language and culture. If those are a problem, how do we overcome them? That could involve any religious leaders or backgrounds. I know that you mentioned earlier that you did not see a lot of that, but if it comes up, how can those barriers be tackled?