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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 December 2024
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Pam Gosal

Some of this has been mentioned, but it is very important that we look at what the Scottish Government is doing as well, which is why I want to focus on this question.

Many of the challenges that we have talked about concerning the placement of refugees and asylum seekers are a result of accommodation and housing shortages. For example, there are around 14,000 households living in temporary accommodation, the number of homelessness applications is the highest since records began and the Scottish Government failed to meet its affordable home targets in the previous parliamentary session. What changes should be made by the Scottish Government to improve the situation? What can Scotland learn from other places that you know of?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

Yes. With regard to the financial side, I have had cases in which it is more often the woman who does not have a financial cushion and is out of her home, and there is also a criminal domestic abuse case going on.

We are finding that there is a broken bridge between a civil case and a criminal case, in that one does not talk to the other, so both cases are taken separately. Is that something that witnesses have dealt with? I am currently dealing with a case involving a woman who has come forward as a result of domestic abuse. Access to her finances has stopped, so that is the subject of a civil case, but there is also a criminal case, as she has been hurt through domestic abuse. However, those two processes are not joined up. Quite a few people have spoken to me about that concern.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

Do you do any outreach work? Obviously, it is good to have things, including the literature that goes out, in different languages, but do you go into communities to say that you have a service that is available and make people aware of it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

I have to agree with you on that, Jen. A couple of weeks ago, my mother went to hospital and my sister was there. My mother can fully understand English, and she has some broken English but, when it came to medication, my sister had to step in. She was asked not to speak and an interpreter was brought in. My mum was going for a CT scan and some other scans. It was quite a serious matter that she could not move when she was under that equipment. The interpreter did not pass that key information to my mum, but my sister heard it and had to intervene. My mother-in-law was in the same hospital that day and had the same problem.

I know that this issue is not for this committee, but regulation on interpreters is important. That was key information. The interpreter turned round and said to my sister that they did not think that that was really important. However, they were not there to say what was important; they were there to interpret.

I know that that is not up to the committee, but I agree with what has been said.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

Good morning, and thank you for your opening statements.

Rachael Hamilton can still ask the broad question, because my question does not cover the issue that she was asking about.

As you know, not everyone has access to digital devices, especially in some of the poorest and most deprived areas in Scotland. Given the shift during the pandemic and afterwards to digital technology and services, what is being done to ensure that face-to-face services exist for those who need them? Are people aware of them? Is it easy to access those services?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

Convener, can I come back on that after the question on broadband?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

I will go back to Colin. Earlier, you spoke about the legal aid model being 70 years old and not fit for purpose today. We have so much diversity in Scotland now, and I certainly think—and I hear from people who use it—that the model is not fit for purpose.

I have a question on language barriers. It would be good to hear from Colin Lancaster, Fiona McPhail and Gillian Fyfe on those. Do you face or see any language barriers to accessing advice or even to accessing the legal aid system today? Obviously, a 70-year-old system is not fit for purpose, given the changes in Scotland.

To go back to Gillian Fyfe, Citizens Advice Scotland is among the largest advice services in Scotland. Do you see any language barriers, Gillian? If not, what is it that you provide that helps people who cannot speak English? I also put that question to Fiona, but Colin can start.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

I will stay on the subject of domestic abuse. Often, women who are fleeing domestic abuse are temporarily homeless, as has been mentioned today, and are without access to finances. It is sometimes the case that their abusive partner controls the finances.

The third sector is really good at providing a support mechanism for those women, but at times they may be trying to access advice and services in private without their partner knowing. What barriers currently exist in that regard, and how can we remove them to enable the advice system and the courts to help those women more? I am open to any of the witnesses answering that one.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

I have one more question, which is quite open.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Pam Gosal

Sorry, Fulton.