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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 January 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It is good to hear that you are working on many projects and programmes. To go back to data collection, around 64,000 cases of domestic abuse were reported to Police Scotland in 2023-24, which is 3 per cent higher than the year before. It is reported that the police do not even record whether somebody has a disability. I brought that up with Angela Constance, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, in relation to my proposed bill on domestic abuse.

It is sad that we do not even know how many of the people involved are disabled. I have heard at first hand from survivors who have phoned me. One person told me that, when they contacted the police, they were told that they were drunk; although they were slurring their speech because of a disability, that was not recognised. There was not even a tick box anywhere to report that. That is a big piece of work that is missing. It would be good to hear a bit about any work that you are doing on data collection.

You mentioned that you want to collect data from ethnic minorities. Another area that my bill deals with and which we do not have information on is how many people from ethnic minorities there are among the 64,000 cases, so that is another gap. Basic equalities data is not collected by Police Scotland, which is a big gap.

How can you sit there and say that you have programmes in place when the data has not been collected to support what needs to be done? If you do not have those data sets, what are you working with right now?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I want to touch on something about ethnic minorities. We know that a lot of those groups are very hard to reach. You are working with three panels. Do you have ethnic minority representation on those panels, to ensure that you can tap into those access points to get the data and understanding?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Last week, we heard from witnesses, including people with real-life experience, who were disheartened that, three years after it was announced, the learning disabilities, autism and neurodivergence bill has yet to be introduced. We also heard from organisations that the consultation process was lengthy, as well as time consuming and resource consuming because of the deadlines that had to be met. Understandably, they felt disappointed because they put in so much effort, yet nothing happened.

Why is it necessary to have another consultation, when the analysis has been done and you have access to the expertise of the three panels that you have spoken about? What would you say to the people with real-life experience who said that they felt as if they have been at the “bottom of the pile” when it comes to the Scottish Government’s priorities?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning to the witnesses. What are your views on the Scottish Government’s reasons for not introducing the bill during this parliamentary year? Do you think that other pressures may have also played a role?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

What are your views on how the Scottish Government proposes to work with stakeholders and people with lived experience on developing draft bill provisions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Jamie Cooke, you mentioned the amount of consultation that you have been doing, and it is sad to see that the bill has not come forward after all the work that you have done. Does anyone want to add to that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You have spoken about collecting data and about the great research that you are doing. Thank you for that; it is important. How does collecting data improve the diversity of candidates for political parties? I know that you have touched on that but it would be good to hear a little more, because I hope that political parties are listening today and will hear about the benefits.

Cat Murphy, you spoke about some of that so would you like to start?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for those responses.

Rebecca, you have talked about leadership, and I want to touch on the issue of role models. We all know—certainly, I do—that, when you are growing up and you see someone in a certain position on television, in the street or wherever, it can make you think, “I want to be there. Why can’t I be there?” As I said, that is what happened with me. That is how you get the ambition to be there.

My party—the Conservative Party—has had three female Prime Ministers, four female leaders, including a BAME leader, and two female leaders in Scotland. What more can councillors, MSPs, MPs and parties do as role models to attract more people by saying to them, “You can be an MP, MSP or councillor, too”?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Can I probe that a little? How do you balance merit with diversity? Having a quota is all well and good, but I hope I got elected because of my ability—perhaps I should ask my party director about that. It is important to look at both merit and diversity, so how do you balance that if you use a quota?