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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I thank the witnesses for their responses. I have one more question. Last week, the Local Government Information Unit told us that ring fencing is a particular issue for Scottish local government. Should the Scottish Government continue with ring fencing in this year’s local government settlement?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Every year, we see local government and central Government scrabble to find enough money to meet the pay demands of the local government workforce. Given that employment costs are around 70 per cent of local authority revenue budgets, how can pay deals be managed more sustainably and strategically?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Does the rise of £1 billion in council debt between 2021-22 and 2022-23 give rise to sustainability concerns for council finances? At what point does council borrowing become a problem?

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Dr Carr-West, from the survey that you carried out with local authorities, you mentioned that the picture in Scotland is very bleak on local government finances. Could you suggest any possible next steps to improve the financial sustainability of councils in Scotland? How can potential financial risks be mitigated?

It would be great to hear from Abdool, too, about any experience that he has seen somewhere else.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Abdool Kara, I will touch on pay in England. Last week, we had evidence that councillor pay can be a barrier in Scotland, especially to ethnic minorities, women and people who have a disability. That means that they cannot be councillors and that we, unfortunately, sometimes do not have representation from all backgrounds.

Is there anything in England that can help? Should councillor pay be agreed yearly, three yearly or five yearly? Are you able to give us an example that we can work from? I mean a good example, obviously.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Last week, the committee took evidence about the fact that lower pay for councillors is a barrier to many people, including people from ethnic minorities, disabled people and women. Budgets are tight, so how do we balance high levels of public service and adequate council pay? Do you have a view on that, Jo Armstrong?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Can I just probe a bit more into that? Obviously, you have seen how councils in England work; in a past life, I worked with local authorities in England. Have you seen any good practice in relation to shared resources, such as software systems? My colleague Miles Briggs mentioned the sharing of bin services. I do not know whether local enterprise partnerships are still around, but they worked together—in the southeast and other areas—to look at where savings could be made and how development and services could be better delivered. Do you have any good practice examples of councils having saved money by sharing resources and working together?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Dr Carr-West mentioned that, in the survey that you carried out with local authorities, councils highlighted workforce challenges. How can pay deals be managed more sustainably and strategically, given that employment costs form around 70 per cent of the employment budget?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will go on to my next question. Given that the Scottish Government obviously agrees with the pay uplift recommendations—you have said that it is a good report—how would you see the requirement for £4.6 million being met? Is the Scottish Government suggesting that individual councils would find that money? I know, because I have spoken to 31 of the 32 council chief executives, that it is clear that they are struggling right now to meet essential spend. We also heard in the evidence earlier today that there will be fewer people out there now making decisions in councils. It could mean that, but it could also impact services, because services may have to be cut if local authorities have to find that money.

Last but not least, I would say—especially being a person from a minority ethnic background—that we will not attract key representation from people from disabled backgrounds and people from minority ethnic backgrounds but also, very importantly, women. We have heard today from SLARC and COSLA that there are barriers for women to come into the profession and salary is one of those. Would you like to say a little bit about that? Also, you mentioned that it is not just salary that is a barrier and that there may be other things involved. It would be good to hear from you about that.