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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. I will pick up on co-design. To what extent have people felt involved in co-design thus far? Should there have been more co-design before we got to the draft bill? What should co-design look like in the future? Perhaps Alison Leitch could comment from a family perspective before we come to the other side of the table.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

Co-design is at the heart of the bill’s approach, and the Government is keen to co-design once the framework legislation has been passed. Should there have been more co-design in advance of the bill going through the legislative process? Also, to go back to the question that we started with, what co-design processes are missing? People have advocated that such processes should be on the face of the bill.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

From a Highland perspective, was there any sense from the people whom you consulted in your membership that things already feel further away from communities? Was there a sense that we need to bring things closer to communities? To tie that to the proposal for care boards, do people want care boards that are more local rather than just a board that is in Inverness or wherever?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

Is it the ALLIANCE’s contention, therefore, that something that is in the control of ministers and on which they are accountable to 128 of us in Parliament would provide more accountability for people than accountability to the local authority? Am I right in thinking that that is what you were saying?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

Thank you, convener, and thanks to the panel for indulging me again.

Co-design is to be at the heart of the process, and, as we understand it, there will be an element of co-design in, if you like, the secondary stages of the bill. Do you feel that that was the right way to go about this, or would you rather have seen more co-design at the front end, before we reached the legislative stage?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

I am interested in the transition from childhood to adulthood, and the associated services. There is a member’s bill on that issue and there are Government bills going through Parliament that relate to a lot of issues that are to do with what we are talking about. Might it be better to capture some of the elements of those bills in this legislation? Is there an opportunity to do that? Frank McKillop and Andy Miller have been close to some of the work on those bills, so I would like them to respond to that first of all.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

Good afternoon. We have had useful opening comments on the general principles of the bill, but I want to ask about what is actually in the bill. It provides for the transfer of accountability from local authorities to the Scottish ministers. What is your view on that concept and on the risks and benefits therein? I ask Mhairi Wylie to start.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

No, convener, I will let Evelyn come in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

There is a commonality about co-design being part of the process. Andy, what is your vision for the involvement of people with disabilities, and particularly learning disabilities, in co-design? How do we ensure that they are involved?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Paul O'Kane

Sure. We were talking about the complaints system, and I had noticed that Community Integrated Care said in its submission that responding to a complaint as close as possible to where the issue has occurred, at the local level, is important—I am paraphrasing, obviously. Does Karen Sheridan have a comment on the importance of locality in the complaints procedure?