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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. I invite questions for the cabinet secretary.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

We need to move on, as we are very short of time.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

I am conscious that three colleagues are looking to ask questions. Cabinet secretary, are you content in terms of time, given that we have subsequent business?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. That is very helpful.

We move to questions from Carol Mochan on the wider involvement of service users.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. I am very grateful to the cabinet secretary for his opening statement, which has helped to set the scene for our questions. I will begin with broad questions before we move to questions from colleagues.

The petitioners have outlined the various challenges with regard to geography, access to services and availability of staff, and you have touched on much of that, cabinet secretary. Given the wider structural challenges in relation to the way that the NHS is set up and operates in many of the relevant communities, has any thinking been done about structures and how the NHS operates at board level in those communities? Do we need to look at how boards operate? Do we need to consider devolving more power to local communities? Have there been conversations about that? A great deal of what the petitioners have asked for is about decision making being more localised. Do you want to comment on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

I will move to a question on something that you have referenced—the work that is being done on a national centre for remote and rural healthcare. As a committee, we are keen to understand how success will be measured in that innovation. It would be useful to have an update on the progress on developing that centre. Sir Lewis Ritchie might want to comment, but I will come to the cabinet secretary first.

10:00  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

Good morning, cabinet secretary, and happy new year. I will pick up on the point about NHS 24 recruitment. I appreciate that further detail will be provided this afternoon, I imagine, in the cabinet secretary’s statement, but he will recall that, last year, he and I had an exchange about contact tracing staff and the potential for them to be redeployed to NHS 24 to bolster capacity. At the time, the cabinet secretary gave an undertaking to try to do as much of that as possible. I do not know whether he can say now how many of those staff were transferred or whether he can write to me with further detail on the transfer.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

I wonder whether I can return to the point about pay for the social care workforce. We have heard a variety of evidence in the committee, and in recent days we have heard that pay could really make the difference in terms of retaining people in the system. We know the challenges that exist, particularly when social care workers can earn more in Lidl, for example. Has the cabinet secretary done any cost benefit analysis or any other analysis of what the difference would be to the NHS in terms of attendance at A and E and delayed discharge if we were to move to a position of £12 an hour and then look to raise that to £15 an hour over the course of the parliamentary session?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

Convener, would you like me to move on to the national care service?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Paul O'Kane

Following on from that point, the cabinet secretary has outlined his 48p and lower pay rise this year for care staff. In the evidence that we have heard in this committee around the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill, there has been a lot of criticism about the process and about this being focused on structural change. He has already referenced the financial memorandum and the commentary of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Does he not acknowledge that this is the opportunity to pause on the bill, to take account of all of that criticism and to look at how we deal with the immediate pressures in this financial year, and then to make a plan going forward that brings all of the partners who have significant criticisms around the table?