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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

I will explore that to clarify the point. Are you saying that the bill needs fundamental reform rather than just amendment? Does the Government need to reconsider the approach?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

I welcome the cabinet secretary’s undertaking to do that further work.

Does she also recognise the concerns that have been raised around general resourcing challenges and how the work will involve a demand on capacity and resources that are already stretched, particularly coming back to the point about front-line practitioners? What discussions is she having with ministerial colleagues around future budget planning and the need for increased capacity?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

Do any other witnesses want to comment on the issue more broadly?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I am keen to understand some of the issues around the complexities and concerns that have been raised with us by the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, Social Work Scotland and others. Social Work Scotland described the amendments as “potentially impossible” to navigate in this landscape. There have been calls from front-line workers, who will have to interpret and work through the legislation, for sector-specific guidance. First, what work is being done on guidance in general, as outlined in the bill? Secondly, is the cabinet secretary open to the development of sector-specific guidance for practitioners?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

I recognise a lot of what you have said about the progress made on standards 1 to 5 and the challenges with standards 6 to 10. Is there a feeling that standards 1 to 5 were slightly more straightforward because they are about changing culture, attitudes and approaches, but that 6 to 10 will be more challenging because they involve implementation and delivery? I noticed that you mentioned timescales. Are you committed to 2025 as the point by which all 10 standards should be implemented?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

I apologise to you, convener, and to colleagues for having to come late to the meeting. I am interested in the MAT standards, which have been touched on in other questions. I think that it is fair to say that Public Health Scotland’s recent benchmarking report found progress to be patchy, and challenges were identified in that it is a bit of a postcode lottery when it comes to what is happening in different parts of the country. Will the minister speak to progress on the MAT standards and to why she thinks that that outcome is patchy at the moment?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Paul O'Kane

I would like to hear COSLA’s position, as it differs slightly from what we heard earlier this morning.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Paul O'Kane

I want to get a sense of what might be a way forward. Dr Tickell, at the time of the outcome of the Supreme Court case, you commented on the opportunity that the ruling might present to look at Scottish acts in terms of some of the things that we are talking about. I appreciate what you said in your previous answer about the complications surrounding all this, but do you have a view of what would be the most appropriate way forward?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Paul O'Kane

Good morning, and thank you for providing a helpful overview. I am going to ask questions about legal complexities, and about some of the views that have been shared by other organisations that we will hear from this morning.

The Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and Social Work Scotland have both indicated that the legal complexities that will be created following the amendments will be challenging. Indeed, Social Work Scotland told us that it viewed it as a “potentially impossible legislative landscape” to navigate. We have heard quite clearly from all of you in evidence that the approach that is being taken is the only option. What do you think that the impact will be on duty bearers under the bill? How can we help them to navigate and address those complexities?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Paul O'Kane

In the previous answer from Dr Tickell, we started to touch on the audits and the difficult debate that exists in that space. Earlier, a number of witnesses, including the children’s commissioner, spoke about the approach that they would like to see, not least looking together at the sort of audit approach that they would like. Obviously, COSLA had a different view, to some extent. Dr Tickell, will you comment on the principle of audits and on what, in your view, might happen in that space? Then I will come to Councillor Buchanan on the COSLA point.