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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

I will continue from where Katy Clark left off.

The committee has heard significant criticisms of IIDB. For example, Ian Tasker told the committee that it is

“no longer fit for purpose”.

Given those criticisms, is it still an option to introduce EIA largely unreformed? Does the cabinet secretary recognise the criticisms of IIDB and does she view it as acceptable to introduce a benefit in that state?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

The cabinet secretary has made that point a number of times. The issue is that the pledge to carry out a consultation is now three years old. Can the cabinet secretary give the committee any sense of the timescale for the consultation? As I said, the last month of the year starts tomorrow. Clearly, you are not going to deliver a consultation this year, so is there any indication of when it is going to happen?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

The Scottish Fiscal Commission has forecast that spending on IIDB will be £84 million this year, falling to £81 million in 2027-28. Does the cabinet secretary recognise that the budget saving there is, in essence, because people are dying? People are not able to make a claim and they are dying. Does she recognise that that is a serious issue?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

It is interesting that the cabinet secretary talks about timescales and the length of time that it will take to do things in this space. The Scottish Government has made repeated commitments to bring forward the consultation, but it has been continually delayed. The committee was told in September that the consultation would happen this year. The last month of the year starts tomorrow. Therefore, where is the Scottish Government in the process of formulating the consultation? Why have there been such repeated delays? What has prevented the Government from providing clear timelines on this?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

Good morning to your lordships. The convener began her questions by asking about the area that I am interested in. Last week, I had an exchange with Roddy Dunlop, who attended on behalf of the Faculty of Advocates, on the issue of an independent regulator. Mr Dunlop’s contention was that the discussion is academic, because an independent regulator is not in the scope of the bill. The challenge for the committee will be to take a broader view on whether the Government may wish to consider that at some point in the future, given the Roberton review.

Will you expand on Lord Ericht’s points regarding your concerns about independent regulation? We have already heard quite a bit about that, but you could talk about any future moves towards the Roberton report’s recommendations.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

We heard some of those points last week from the Faculty of Advocates, the Law Society of Scotland and others. Do you think that there is a problem of perception, in that people think that, if there is a body that is, in lay people’s views, completely separate, that constitutes independent regulation, rather than the Lord President being an independent regulator as it stands currently?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

Obviously, the bill will be amended, we believe—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

Sure.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

I am grateful to your lordships.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Paul O'Kane

The Government will lodge amendments, we think. In a sense, that is the known unknown. We have had that discussion with other witnesses.

Can the bill be amended? You said that a compromise will not satisfy everyone. Are there amendments that could be made that would move the bill to a place where we could get more consensus? There was a view that perhaps the Lord President did not feel as consulted in your review as he could have been. I am keen to get your view on that. Could the legal profession have contributed more to your review and got us to a position of consensus?