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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 March 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Your last point is interesting, because in the earlier session, the point was raised that although we have data sets and quite a lot of information, and people are very often good at reporting—although not perfect, as Pauline Nolan suggests—if everybody reports but there is a lack of action, the implementation gap then becomes the issue.

This is maybe a broader question about data for everyone, but do you agree that there is a lot of data, but the challenge is the deep-dive interrogation of that data?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I asked the previous panel of witnesses how we might extend pay gap reporting, particularly in terms of ethnicity and disability, and I am particularly interested in getting a broader view on that.

With regard to older people and people who are ageing in work, there is often something of a disability gap that can be tested and might develop over time. It would be good to get a sense of whether you think that we should extend the reporting to consider disability within that pay gap. It would also be interesting to hear witnesses’ views on ethnicity in that regard. Pauline Nolan, could you start?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

I started by asking about data. I know that CRER has also commented on the need for social security data in order to understand the poverty gap if folk are not in work. Do you think that we need a broader suite of data in that space?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning, cabinet secretary. I have a brief question to help me understand the picture on carers support payment now that case transfers are coming to an end.

At the UK level, the Chancellor of the Exchequer moved the earnings limit for the first time since 1976 and increased eligibility. The Scottish Government has replicated that approach. What reflection does the cabinet secretary have on the potential for further expansion of the earnings limit? Does she intend to pursue that within the devolved context or would that depend on the interrelationship with any further changes that the UK Government might decide to make to carers allowance? What discussions has she had about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Martin, is it your sense that it would be useful to have more detail on what is expected of local authorities in terms of what they offer currently? One of the challenges in my work is that easy-read communication is not offered as standard across many agencies. If somebody walked into Aberdeenshire Council, would they be able to get that quickly, or would it take some time? Are those the areas that you have identified where we need a bit more standardisation?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

That was helpful. Andrew, do you want to come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Some cross-cutting work has been done—for example, the committee has looked at issues around interpretation services in relation to refugee asylum seekers—but there is a wider conversation to be had about all that, and it is useful to bring that to the fore.

My final question is about resources. We cannot get away from the fact that implementing the public sector equality duty takes money, staffing and people. Reference has already been made to the challenging backdrop against which much of this work is being done. Do you agree with the assessment of many public bodies that have responded that resourcing will be a huge issue that will have to be looked at directly, along with public sector organisations, to understand what the existing capacity might be and what will be required in the future?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Nicky, do you want to add anything?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

You did, indeed. We heard that. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

It is important to include in an audit framework people who have lived experience of requiring such communication. I am sure that they are involved at some point in the process, but perhaps they could be involved in a more formal way to say whether something is working and why.