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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

At the outset, I remind the committee that my husband is a registered social worker and a service manager in children and families social work.

Good morning to the panel. Professor Jay, the last time that you were with us, you and I had an exchange about the progress of the review and some of the complexities and confusions. We are a number of months on. I have heard some of this already this morning, but is it your view that things are progressing well? Will the review be able to pull together many of the themes that we discussed when you were with us before Christmas and those that we have discussed this morning?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

:That is a useful overview.

I will ask a final question—I was going to put the same point to Police Scotland. I appreciate that there will be limitations on what you can say about any operational matters or on-going investigations. There is sometimes, from some quarters, a sense that we in Scotland do not have the type of county lines problem that exists in other parts of the UK, so it would be good to get a sense of the situation from you. I represent the west coast outwith Glasgow, and I see evidence of some of those issues in some of our coastal communities in particular. It would be useful to hear any reflections from Police Scotland on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

:I have listened to what you said there and to your exchanges with other committee members. Professor Jay’s work has been going on for some time and we know from examples in England that there are issues with some discrete groups. I entirely appreciate what you said about the role of the inspectorates and the high standard of work that they are doing on behalf of us all, but is there a sense that this came to a head and became a clear issue just before Christmas, and that the response has been to pull the inspectorates together? Should that have happened much sooner? Would you have welcomed an impetus from the Government or from Parliament to do that sooner so that there was a longer lead-in time for such important work? I am heartened to hear that Professor Jay thinks that the work is progressing well, but should that have happened sooner?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

:Although I take your point that members did not respond directly to your call for views, I respectfully suggest that that was being raised in other ways, including in the chamber and in committees. Do you accept that there has been a debate for at least a year or two?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

:That is a helpful update, Professor Jay.

I will ask Mr Naylor a question, because he was not here before Christmas when we discussed the issue of the confusion about when inspectorates were asked to do this work and who had a level of knowledge of what they were being asked to do by the cabinet secretary and others. Does Mr Naylor want to offer a reflection on his knowledge of when the inspectorate was asked to do this work and what the terms of reference and those sorts of things were going to be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

:I am grateful for that insight. Professor Jay, I apologise if this has been reported on and I have missed it, but in the work that you did in England, did you see a strong correlation between county lines and drugs and child sexual exploitation in terms of the young people who got involved in that sort of activity? That goes to the point about moving out from the urban centres to different locations. Did you see a correlation there?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

VAT and Independent Schools

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

Do you accept that a comparison can be made between individual schools in England and Scotland—for example, that the fees that are charged per term at Eton and Gordonstoun would be similar?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

VAT and Independent Schools

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

You spoke about the history around bequests. There is a history around bequests in schools such as Gordonstoun and Fettes. For example, Gordonstoun can run a summer camp to the tune of £6,750 per person attending, to supplement its income.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

VAT and Independent Schools

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. I just think that it is useful to get the context so that I can understand the bigger picture.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

VAT and Independent Schools

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Paul O'Kane

To the benefit of Gordonstoun.