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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I am keen to understand how clear you think the bill is on enforcement of the new homelessness duties. Who will be responsible for monitoring relevant bodies’ compliance with those duties? I think that that will be crucial.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

In the interests of time, I think that we can follow up on those points in writing.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

Thank you—that was very helpful. We will want to reflect on that across all the equalities strands.

On the rural aspect of the bill’s proposals, we have discussed the different solutions to homelessness that are required in our rural communities. I suppose that this is quite a big question, but it would be good to get a sense of how far you think the provisions go in addressing specific issues in rural communities. I do not know who wants to kick off on that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

This question follows on from Marie McNair’s questioning and is directed at Gordon MacRae. In its submission, Shelter Scotland suggested that consideration be given to including anti-racism responsibilities in the bill. It would be good to get some more context for that. Could you give us an idea of what you think such a provision might look like and why you think that it is needed?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

I have a brief follow-up to that. The Scottish Parliament cross-party group on poverty has done a piece of work on rural poverty and the premiums that exist in rural areas. Do you recognise that to be the case in the housing space, too? Do people in rural areas face a premium in relation to their experience of homelessness?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

We touched briefly on the role of the Mental Welfare Commission in some of those spaces; the Scottish Human Rights Commission has given evidence; and we have spoken more broadly about the need for that intersectionality as well as the need not to become too siloed but to work across that space. Is there a sense that those organisations need more resource or input from people who have a disability, is there more that we can do in the broader landscape without a commissioner or is it a bit of a mix of all those things? Going back to Jenny Miller’s original point, I think that, across the board, we need to improve what is on offer and what we are moving through. Do any members of the panel have a view on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

PAMIS raised concerns in its evidence that the Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill could jeopardise the LDAN bill, or its success. Do you share that view or do you not see that risk?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I will expand on the theme of potential duplication and related issues. I am conscious that there is a proposal for a bill on learning disabilities, autism and neurodivergence. Related to that, there is a question about whether there should be a commissioner in that space. Many of the organisations that are represented here today support those proposals, although some have raised different views and concerns.

My first question is on the growing landscape of commissioners, which Jenny Miller touched on in one of her previous responses. I am keen to understand whether you are concerned that that landscape will begin to fragment within the wider disability sphere. Seeing as I mentioned her, I will start with Jenny.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

Would anyone like to give a broader view on the possibility of there being too many commissioners in the landscape?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Paul O'Kane

Before I ask my questions, convener, I will just say that it was remiss of me earlier not to declare or draw attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests as having been employed by Enable Scotland until 2021.

I am keen to expand on the previous discussion. Obviously, your organisations have been across the detail of or have been involved in the campaign for a learning disabilities, autism and neurodivergence bill and, potentially, the establishment of a commissioner as part of that process. Building on what has been said about the interaction of commissioners, what are your views on how a disability commissioner and a potential LDAN commissioner might interact? Do you have concerns about siloed working, which I think has been referred to, or about things becoming so broad that we do not have the specialism that is required?

I do not know who wants to respond to that large question. Suzi?