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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

I will play devil’s advocate for a moment. You have listed—quite rightly—some of the challenges that we face: progress on the LDAN bill is being stalled, there will be no human rights bill in this session of Parliament, the £10 million of changing places funding looks like it will not go ahead, and non-residential care charges will not be abolished by the end of this session. The Government has made those decisions. You, I and others who have an interest as parliamentarians have not yet been able to change those decisions, although we continue to try, as do campaign groups and a range of stakeholders.

If we, as democratic politicians elected to hold the Government to account, have not been able to change minds at this stage, how would a commissioner do that? What would a commissioner add? There have been situations in which other commissioners have been ignored by Governments of all stripes.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Would you be concerned that one commissioner would have too much to look at? Say that we had a disability commissioner who covered absolutely everything, including, I suppose, neurodiversity. I do not think that that has been fully defined yet—there is certainly disagreement on some of the definitions that were contained in the consultation on the LDAN bill. Are you concerned that that subject matter is too vast?

Also, people want a commissioner to do two things: to advocate, as you have quite rightly talked about; and to investigate. A lot of issues that came up during the LDAN bill consultation process were to do with breaches of people’s human rights, not least of which were the use of seclusion and restraint in schools. Many of those issues are faced by disabled people and their families in particular. Is dealing with all that too vast a prospect for one commissioner?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

I am talking about the interaction with the public sector and service provision. For example, what would make the process of reporting on your service level agreements easier?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Are there sufficient structures to have those sorts of conversations, or do we need to look at how all that is communicated?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

I want to draw together a lot of what we have been talking about this morning. We have had a wide-ranging discussion, but we have focused particularly on finance, which is only right when we are talking about funding. We have been talking about fair funding principles for some time now, and we have been talking about parity of esteem and respect in the sector for a long, long time.

Euan, you mentioned the fact that other mechanisms could be looked at to embed a fairer funding principle and that they would not necessarily cost money, because it would be all about changing the structures. What are some of those mechanisms, and how might we move forward on those issues?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Does anyone else want to comment on that broad point?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I will try to pull together some of our discussions by asking about parity of esteem and how the sector feels about the budget allocations and negotiations.

First, I am particularly interested in what mechanisms we could introduce to provide third sector organisations with more stability. We have touched on three-year funding and the benefit of knowing what is coming. In the context of the demand for your services and the services of other partners in the public sector, what sort of mechanisms, in line with fair funding principles, would you like to be introduced?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

In relation to funding, whether from the Scottish Government or the local authority, do you feel that the pressures as a result of need are being managed? You talked about waiting lists—I assume that those are for voluntary sector services that provide care, support and those sorts of things. Do you feel that that is factored into your budget conversations?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

I was trying to set the scene, because we are interested in how the sector feels about its relationships. Do you feel that you are an equal partner? There is partnership and there is true partnership—some partnerships are perhaps better than others. Is there still a sense in the sector that it is often looked at as the cheaper alternative to public services? We have certainly heard that people feel that way.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Can I bring Ran Majumder in to give us the urban context? Shetland is a helpful example of where things are working well and where the challenges are. Ran, do you see some of the same things in the Edinburgh context?