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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 December 2024
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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

So, in your view, the £3.2 million is adequate to ensure that we should be in a position in which access to clean kit will no longer be an issue. Is that what you are saying?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

I understand.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

In the previous session, we heard about the refurbishment work that was carried out in Inverness. I want to ask about decontamination. We were told that the station in Inverness is considered to be decontamination compliant. What percentage of the estate is not currently compliant? How many facilities or stations are we talking about?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

Has that guidance been circulated to firefighters or is it still with the working group?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

I understand that, but is that provision now in place or will that—

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

I appreciate that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

I appreciate that we do not have much time, convener. I suspect that other members will pick up some of those issues. However, it would be helpful if you could address the issue of the provision of guidance to firefighters.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

Thank you. There are a lot of what have been called “behaviours”. Very clear guidance needs to be given to firefighters on the best possible practice to minimise risk. Perhaps Stuart Stevens could outline what work has been done on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

The evidence we have heard is extremely alarming. Unfortunately, I think that most members are already aware of many of these issues, largely due to the lobbying that has been done, particularly by the FBU, which has done a huge amount of work in this Parliament on the issue. It has, in particular, brought to parliamentarians’ attention the risks of the toxins that firefighters are exposed to.

It seems absolutely clear to me that the fire service is in breach of its duty of care to firefighters and, from the evidence that we have heard today, it is the exception that adequate decontamination facilities are available. The evidence about Inverness is interesting, because I think that most committee members will have been to fire stations and seen the poor decontamination facilities that are available. It is also alarming that, when you speak to firefighters, they will tell you that they look to the FBU guidance and that we still are not in the position of having proper and thorough guidance available. As a result, simple steps might not be taken by every firefighter.

In other situations, we would be closing down such facilities if they did not meet the minimum requirement. It cannot be acceptable to have perhaps dozens of firefighters relying on one shower after an incident. Have you given any thought to emergency responses that can be made to bring in other resources, perhaps not in fire stations that are built, to ensure that, when there are incidents, firefighters have adequate decontamination and that they are not having to rely on baby wipes? How can we as a society respond to ensure that, until we get adequate facilities, firefighters are still able to decontaminate?

I will ask Colin Brown to come in first.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

Do the other witnesses want to respond?