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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Justice Priorities

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Katy Clark

Will you give consideration to how much of that work can be shared with the committee so that we can assess whether we think that you have come to the right conclusions?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

Would you be willing to share the advice on legal liabilities with the committee? At the end of the day, all of us will have to pay the price if the fire service does not meet its obligations.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

This is a budget scrutiny process, so what are the budget implications of those challenges? Have you looked at that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

I understand.

As you know, 10 appliances and additional height appliances were withdrawn across Scotland last week, close to 1,100 uniformed firefighter jobs have already been lost and Ross Haggart has indicated that a further 780 full-time firefighter jobs could be lost in the next four years. You have also indicated in your evidence today that firefighters may not be available for the appliances that you have—they will not be able to be staffed. However, concerns are already being raised with us about the lack of availability of appliances and increased response times. I know that modelling has already been referred to this morning, but what work are you doing on the implications of the lack of availability of appliances for the public and on response times? What information are you able to share on what has happened since the 10 appliances were withdrawn?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

Is it fair to say that response times will continue to go up?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

The pay parity issue is clearly very important because some staff and groups of staff have legitimate claims in relation to their treatment and issues around comparative pay.

However, from a public point of view, the backlog continues to be a major problem. There were additional Covid funds. There is always the answer that more resources are needed not just in one part but in all parts of the justice sector to address the backlog, but on what basis are you making your projections for what you expect to happen to backlogs? Some individuals who have come to the committee have described completely unacceptable backlogs in cases being dealt with. Can you outline your approach to that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

What is your projection around the percentage?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

I would like to ask Ross Haggart some questions. The backdrop to this is a decade of cuts to the fire service in Scotland. Audit Scotland reported that the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service has an “insurmountable capital backlog” and information that was provided by the service to my office suggests that 45 per cent of the entire estate is assessed as being in either poor or bad condition, but in your reply to Pauline McNeill, you indicated that only five fire stations could be prioritised.

The FBU’s decon campaign highlights the health risk of contamination and some of that risk relates to the condition of the estate: for example, the availability of showers. What consideration has been given to the legal duty of care that the service is obliged to provide to its workforce and to the risks of litigation and the legal responsibilities of the service?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Katy Clark

Have you had any advice about your legal liabilities and could you share that with the committee, perhaps in writing? Could you inform the committee, perhaps in writing, of the mitigation work that you referred to? It would be extremely helpful if you could keep the committee advised on that.