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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Katy Clark

The point is that the Scottish Government decided to opt out of the procurement legislation that went through Westminster because it wants to stick closely to European regulations. Obviously, the Parliament could regulate in relation to procurement. What might that look like? What would you like it to look like? Maybe you do not want to go down that path, but it is something that I am interested in.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Katy Clark

My first question is probably best directed at Louisa Macdonnell. How best can the fair work agenda be moved forward in the current economic climate? What are your thoughts on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Katy Clark

We are living in difficult times, and they are particularly difficult for working people, given the pressures of food and fuel inflation. Andrea Bradley, it is quite clear that, in some sectors, and in the private sector in particular, trade unions have got some very good deals, particularly after industrial action, and that might be associated with labour shortages. How can a tight labour market lead to improvements in family-friendly working? I appreciate that you are more involved in the public sector, but perhaps you can speak in the round about both the public and private sectors.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Katy Clark

Yes, and they obviously lose pay when they do that.

I will bring in Karen Hedge on the care issue. We hear regularly about people leaving the care sector, perhaps to go into other sectors such as retail because they will earn more there. What scope is there for increasing flexible working for front-line workers, particularly in the care sector?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Katy Clark

I want to pick up on some of the issues that have been raised about contract compliance, conditionality and procurement. There was specific mention of non-domestic rates. Of course, there has been quite a lot of discussion in some places about the possibility of using speculation-based land taxes—it is sometimes called an “Amazon tax”, but it would not be just on Amazon—as a way to raise funds. That could be linked to some of the issues that have been raised.

New procurement laws have been passed in England and Wales that have moved away from the European model. Our understanding is that that will mean that councils can put conditions in contracts, for example to buy local. They could also include conditions in relation to some of the employment issues that have been raised. Have you had a chance to look at that? My understanding from speaking with tax and accountancy experts is that some countries use fines to raise funds, whether those are environmental fines or others that relate to some of these issues. Have you had an opportunity to look at those issues? Are you giving any consideration to how we incentivise companies in Scotland to carry out the public policy requirements that we have with regard to terms and conditions of employment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Katy Clark

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Katy Clark

I would like to ask the question from a different angle: are there any Scottish Government policies that you can point to that are pulling in the wrong or opposite direction?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Katy Clark

I think that we will be moving on to issues around procurement and contract compliance later. In terms of the labour market, in some sectors, such as retail manufacturing, we see quite high pay increases, as a percentage. The situation in the public sector is a bit different, but for the employee, of course, it is the whole package that matters, including pay and all the other terms and conditions such as flexible working. To what extent is flexible working part of those negotiations at the moment, and could more be done there?

Criminal Justice Committee

Online Safety Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Katy Clark

My understanding is that the bill is a positive piece of legislation but that there has been much criticism that it could be stronger. Either today or perhaps in writing to the committee, can the Scottish Government outline what further changes it thinks need to be made to the bill at Westminster to provide a stronger statutory framework?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Katy Clark

I will pick up a point that Marion Davis made. Does the increased focus on parents affect the scale of provision for other groups, such as young people and disabled people, or the way that they are treated?